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A podcast from zeroheight. Let’s be honest, design systems are full of choice wtf moments. Michelle and Luke, two of our resident design advocates, are attempting to combat this with a new regular series, where they answer a single question around design system troubles every two weeks.
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The Product Shipping Forecast

Rosie Watson & Robert Whitfield

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On The Product Shipping Forecast, Rosie and Rob help you navigate the treacherous waters of product development. In each episode, they share their thoughts and experiences on working in product teams, collaborating with others, and discussing hot topics, so you’ll feel less adrift.
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DesignOps as a Service™ with Roman Grant

DesignOps as a Service (DOaaS) LLC

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Welcome to DesignOps as a Service™ with Roman Grant—the go-to podcast for busy professionals who want to break through barriers, foster growth, and excel in today’s fast-paced world. Each episode is packed with actionable insights and practical strategies, delivered with a blend of humor, compassion, and candor. What makes DesignOps as a Service™ unique? We don’t just talk about ideas—we show you how to put them into action. Whether you're struggling with unproductive meetings, an overwhelmi ...
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Design Systems: Beyond The Button

Michelle Chin and Nefertiti Dukes

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Wondering what’s involved in making a successful design system? So is Nef, the newest member of zeroheight’s marketing team. In this podcast, Nef is joined by one of zeroheight’s trustiest Design Advocates, Michelle Chin, to get their questions answered about everything related to the big world of design systems. If you’re eager to make the bestest design system ever, you’ve found the perfect place!
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A new podcast where Kevin Muldoon and guests wrangle with the big common problems that design systems face. Every episode, they’ll hogtie a challenge, give it a good once over, and share the best techniques they’ve found to conquer them, from dealing with inconsistency to naming to white-label systems.
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Design system consultants Amy Hupe and Geri Reid are going back to design systems school. In this series, Amy and Geri put aside their vocal and opinionated assumptions to dive deep on design systems topics; from Figma libraries to design tokens to deciding if AI can really write decent documentation. Climb aboard the school bus for a field trip on the history, the conversations and the foundations that really makes a design system great.It’s time to crack open the textbooks and head back to ...
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The podcast from zeroheight, where we talk to the best folks in DesignOps from around the world to help you build the best darn DesignOps practice you possibly can. Hosted by Luke Murphy, design advocate at zeroheight, each episode focuses on a specific part of the DesignOps pie, gaining insight from both established DesignOps practitioners, as well as up and coming DesignOps voices.
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DesignOps Podcast

Sean Johnson

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The chat show where we talk to design leaders about all things DesignOps, with the aim of improving how we work together, how we get work done and the impact our work has. We'll be discussing the struggles we face transitioning from practising design into leading design; the implementation, adoption and contribution of design systems; diversity, equality and inclusion to your teams; and building design maturity in your organisation.
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24 Minutes of UX is a podcast of the people, by the people, for the people. The format is a combination of an after-work discussion, a 1-on-1 chat, a global community platform, and a coaching session. Episodes typically feature a Seeker and a Giver. The Seeker is a person seeking advice on a specific topic within the domain of UX. The Giver is here for sharing experiences about “what I wish I had known when I started with this topic”. Both the Seeker and the Giver can be senior or junior - w ...
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Wrangle a disjointed design process, bring order out of chaos, and cultivate a more simple way of working. Host John Barrier Wilson provides DesignOps tips for individual designers and design teams alike. Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/operate/support
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If you think Alvar Aalto, Iittala and Marimekko are what Finnish design is about, you’re mistaken. Hosts Elina Korpela and Maya Pillai, designers at Houston Inc., have taken it upon themselves to tell you that there is more on offer. They talk to the designers and developers behind some of the most exciting digital products and trends coming out of Finland. And give you a glimpse of what’s beyond this pixel pushing life. Nudging Pixels is an original podcast by Houston Inc. New episodes are ...
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Explore the challenges to thriving as an early-career designer! Watch This Episode In this episode, we dive deep into the collaborative persona-building process with our guest, Cameron—a budding UX, UI, and Product Designer at a fast-paced SaaS company. Cameron faces familiar challenges: unclear project requirements, tight deadlines, and the stress…
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Skills Development Facilitation Using Digital Whiteboard Templates. Watch This Episode on YouTube Discover the transformative power of digital whiteboards in your workshops with our expert-led video podcast. Roman Grant, Founder of DesignOps as a Service™, guides you through real-world applications of design thinking, planning, and brainstorming te…
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Transform your project kickoffs with expert digital white-boarding techniques. Watch This Episode on YouTube In this insightful video podcast, Roman Grant, Founder of DesignOps as a Service™, showcases how to harness FigJam’s design thinking, planning, and brainstorming templates for seamless facilitation. Dive into real-life applications, learn ho…
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The first step to regaining control is getting everything out of your head and onto a tool where you can see it clearly. Watch This Episode on YouTube Overwhelmed by your never-ending to-do list? In this video, Roman Grant, Founder of DesignOps as a Service™, reveals a powerful method used by top skills development facilitators to document and prio…
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This month, Michelle is joined by two new faces: Tim Legierse, one of the most tenured members of the zeroheight team, and Beau Ulrey, Sr. Design System Manager at U.S. Bank. This month’s discussion is about how design systems can foster user trust. Sure, a good set of reusable components can create a more consistent product. But what does that mea…
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A solid user research practice is the basis for many of the great products we use everyday, but it sometimes feels like an uphill battle just to get time for usability testing. How can you better advocate for research in your company? What can you do to make research a regular part of the process? Rosie and Rob have the key insights on episode thre…
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AI tools are transforming the landscape, making it easier than ever to create and design. Is this making everyone a designer? Will design system makers have to herd even more cats? We’ll be joined by special guest Pablo Stanley, the brilliant co-founder of two AI-based design tools, Musho and Lummi. We’ll unpack the potential of AI-based design too…
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Aurelius Podcast - Episode 70 highlights with Jessica Nelson Kohel:- How UX Research fits into both large and small company product organizations- The role of Product Manager, its evolution and common misunderstandings- Importance of “the art” of product management like communication style, culture, context and relevance- Product strategy and the c…
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In this episode, we’re diving into the buzzworthy announcements and new feature releases that have the design community talking. We’ll share our opinions and insights on how these changes will impact design systems and workflows. Whether you missed the event or want a fresh perspective, tune in to catch up on all the highlights and WTF moments from…
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Our guest is Kimberly Elam, a writer, educator, and graphic designer who chairs the Graphic + Interactive Communication Department at the Ringling College of Art and Design, Sarasota, FL. She has written extensively about graphic design and design education whose books include Grid Systems, Typographic Systems and Geometry of Design. In this episod…
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Aurelius Podcast - Episode 69 highlights with Teresa Cain:- Evolution of the Product Management role over the years- Tips for collaboration between UX Research and Product Management- Vital role of UX research in product strategy- Stakeholder engagement in the prioritization and delivery of and UX Research- How to solve problems in 2 hours…
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In an ideal world, QA should be a simple step to check the quality and functionality of what a team is about to ship. Yet, all too often, it’s a grab bag of compromises, disappointments, and UX polish tickets that will be left to linger in developer backlogs like unwanted house guests. How did it get this way, and how can you make QA a little less …
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We tackle the fundamental question: “How do you prove the value of design systems?” What kind of metrics work? Why does the math seem so fuzzy? Are there any valid measurements? Based on our experiences and what we’ve seen with other teams, we share our thoughts and hot takes when it comes to advocating and validating your design system efforts.…
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As designers, we aim to be user-centered, but figuring out where to incorporate user research can be tricky. How do we add user research when there’s a demand for components ASAP? Is it weird to ask users how they would use a button? Join us as we explore how user research fits in with the evolution of your design system. We cover approaches for in…
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The book Human-Centered Agile by Joe Montalbano and Brad Lehman offers strategies to combine Agile and UX. Daniel Boos, co-lead of UX practices and Swiss Railways read the book, but still has questions, for example about organizations where agile may not fit, shared services teams, scaling agile, or the plethora of Ops that are emerging. Luckily Jo…
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We navigate the challenges and uncertainties that arise when a design system team undergoes downsizing or restructuring. How do the design system team and teams who use the design system cope in this situation? We explore strategies for resilience, collaboration, and innovation in the face of adversity and discover how to thrive amidst organization…
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Does a centralized team provide the most effective design system governance model? Can a single overlord provide cohesion or just become a bottleneck? And can a federated model ever really work? Amy and Geri join the debate team to argue the pros and cons of design system governance.Von Amy Hupe and Geri Reid
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In this episode, we answer some interesting design system questions from the Internet. With Luke away, Dave, our Developer Advocate, will joins Michelle. Sharing insights from a developer and designer perspective, respectively. Will Dave and Michelle see eye to eye or will we agree to disagree?Von zeroheight
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You’ve created most or all your components, but now people are asking about patterns. In this episode, we break down the initial steps of documenting your patterns, which patterns to document first, and top tips when it comes to pattern documentation.Von Michelle Chin and Nefertiti Dukes
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Figma is currently dominating the design landscape and with good reason. They’ve taken what we’ve done with product and UX design and allowed us to do so much more than we used to be able to. With the release and continued improvement of Dev Mode, they’re hoovering up more use cases and raising the question: are we happy with a design tool being th…
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This time, we’re tackling how to collaborate on a design system. We’ll talk about the tools you should be using, who should be doing what, and how you can create a review and governance process that ensures your design system site is accurate and consistent.Von Michelle Chin and Nefertiti Dukes
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For the first episode of The Product Shipping Forecast, Rosie and Rob dive into the deep end of the product development process to discuss handoff. They discuss the tools and practices that have helped—and hindered—their transition from designing to building. Is there such a thing as too much documentation? Can a single tool solve your handoff woes…
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Today we ask, “Is using a pre-built frontend library realistic?” We look into the pros and cons of leveraging frontend libraries such as MUI, Tailwind, or Ant Design for your design system. Are these libraries a shortcut to success, or do they come with hidden complexities and limitations? Tune in as we dissect the practicality, scalability, and lo…
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Amy Hupe and Geri Reid are back in the class to teach you all about design tokens. They break it down, so you leave after acing the pop quiz. There’s a lot of chatter about design tokens. Why do you need tokens? And how do you architect them when there’s so much conflicting advice?Von Amy Hupe and Geri Reid
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We examine that critical phase in the life of a design system: moving beyond the Minimum Viable Product (MVP). Launching an MVP is just the beginning, but what comes next? Michelle and Luke discuss strategies for advocating for more resources, ensuring your work is recognized and adequately resourced, and not just seen as a “free” addition from you…
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Recess is over! Amy Hupe and Geri Reid are back in the classroom with the next episode of Back to School. This time, they talked about all of Figma UI kits. Are you a real design system without a Figma UI kit? Does it need to be a pixel-perfect copy of your code? What’s the source of truth? More pressingly, can a Figma library BE your design system…
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We tackle a question that often gets overlooked in the world of design systems: Is there room for fun and delight? Sure, components are the workhorses of design systems, known for their functionality and consistency, but does that mean they have to be dull? We’ll explore the possibilities of infusing a bit of charm and personality into your design …
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Aurelius Podcast - Episode 67 highlights with Janna Bastow:- Using UX research to inform product roadmaps- Stories about how to avoid major code and product rollbacks by simply conducting good UX research- Using customer needs to truly innovate and avoid building a better competitive copycat product - How to avoid building a Frankenstein product…
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In this episode, we’re talking about something everyone seems to struggle with: measuring the impact of their design system. Should we be measuring how many visitors a design system site has? How often components are used? And, what qualitative measures are worth keeping an eye on?Von Michelle Chin and Nefertiti Dukes
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We dive into the ambitious idea proposed by Brad Frost: creating a global design system for everyone to use. Imagine a world where companies don’t reinvent the wheel with every component they create, but instead, contribute to and utilize a shared set of resources. We tackle the big questions: Where do we start in building such a universal system? …
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Aurelius Podcast - Episode 66 highlights with Audrey Crane:- Defining Shadow Design and its potential impact on your organization- Audrey and her team’s research study on Shadow Design- Shadow IT and it’s correlation to Shadow Design- Risks and implications of Shadow Design in the product development process- How to uncover if Shadow Design is happ…
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This special episode is our love letter to the unsung heroes of the design system world. Join us as we shine a spotlight on some incredible individuals in the field who might not be on your radar yet, but definitely should be. We'll share our personal favorites, diving into the work they're doing and where you can find their contributions. Get read…
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In this episode, we discuss a hot topic: design tokens. We talk about when a design system should incorporate design tokens and when. We also explore best practices for creating and maintaining your design tokens, including Michelle’s hot topics on design token naming conventions.Von Michelle Chin and Nefertiti Dukes
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In this episode, we tackle the common concern—are you being too prescriptive with your design system? We’ll discuss the fine line between guidance and rigidity, exploring how much prescription is too much. We’ll share the pitfalls of being overly prescriptive and the chaos that can ensue from excessive flexibility.…
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