Do You Have Skin in the Game? with Mike & Max

The Bledsoe Show

00:00.00

Dr_ Placebo

Pretty funny before they wouldn't They wouldn't know what I wanted like they didn't understand what come sit stay meant so I was like yeah that's Fine. You're just Puppies. You don't understand what I want now. I'm certain that they understand what I want and sometimes they just won't do it. There's like a little rebellion phase that's happening right now.

00:31.38

mikebledsoe

This payback.

00:35.46

Dr_ Placebo

And well you know so far. We've just been using carrots. Basically no stick for our condition and.

00:45.42

mikebledsoe

Ah.

00:54.30

Dr_ Placebo

My special lady friend is a really kind soul it it would she would like lose her mind if I struck a dog I don't want to anyway. But I I get this feeling that they know that I'm all bark and no bite. And that's why they're like yeah okay keep talking big fella like I'm just going to do what I want to do.

01:17.51

mikebledsoe

Yeah, um I learned this trick for dominating dogs which is you want to make sure you got control of their snout when you do this because I've done this with a big pit before which is you bite their ear so you take like your.

01:32.74

Dr_ Placebo

M.

01:34.67

mikebledsoe

Your canine and you dig it into their ear until they until they yelp and then they know because that's how dogs talk to each other right? like 1 dog is going to dominate the other and then they they bite an ear or they put their their mouth around their neck and then the other dog kind of gives up.

01:45.40

Dr_ Placebo

Right? right.

01:54.57

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, oh man, my dogs battle each other so aggressively all day long I mean I'm glad we got two I can't imagine just getting 1 dog and I don't like to say that too much. Because I don't want to make everybody who just got the 1 dog feel bad but it seems like they have some level of communication between them that I will never really understand they're on the same level. You know what? I mean.

02:20.95

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

02:25.85

Dr_ Placebo

They can play in a totally different way. They communicate in a totally different way. Um, but man it is it is aggressive and then I remember like oh yeah, playing it is two things. it's ah practice for killing and and it's ah socialization that's that's what play is and for humans that's not how we play typically but that's in the animal kingdom that's what play is that's how you first learn how to how to kill things or not get killed depending on what the animal is. If you look at though I'm trying to think of ah what play looks like for herbivores. It doesn't occur to me right now. But for carnivores there's its play is basically practice for killing and it doesn't it's. Just reminds me of the circle of life. Something needs to die so that you can live and it doesn't matter if you're a vegetarian you got to kill that plant and that plant becomes part of you so it's kind of like the highlander there can be only one like you can. Eat it or it eats you basically and then when you die provided you you don't put yourself into one of those fancy boxes then you get eaten again after it's all said and done and that's ah I mean that's a funny thing maybe not cemeteries aren't funny.

03:56.41

Dr_ Placebo

In a traditional sense. Maybe but it is weird that we try to take the the physical body out of the ecosystem. It's a really interesting practice.

04:07.50

mikebledsoe

I Mean it's happening. You know we build homes we built. Ah, you know because nothing in nature is Square. You know have straight lines like I look around my house I've got a flat floor flat ceiling flat walls and they all meet at Ninety degree corners. And for the most part So We we basically separate ourselves from nature by putting ourselves in these boxes and then when we die we want to continue the separation So casket we go I need a new buck. This one doesn't have to be as big.

04:24.31

Dr_ Placebo

And.

04:36.49

Dr_ Placebo

I need and I need a new box.

04:44.60

Dr_ Placebo

Um, that is kind of funny. That's like the whole whole life is like I need a new box I need a car that's like a mobile box and then I need a new house and that's a stationary box and then I need a coffin That's a very snug. Ah airtight.

04:58.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, you leave you leave the box. That's your house to get in the box that your car to go to the box. That's your work and or or maybe you're just building boxes for your work too. Like yeah yeah.

05:01.72

Dr_ Placebo

Waterproof box.

05:07.72

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

05:14.33

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I mean if you're in construction you're building boxes. Basically it's it's funny. It's just so it's more ah comfortable on the inside right? I'm surprised. There aren't more oh it's It's actually because Ah. Squares tessellate the best so you can line a flat plane full of squares and rectangles. But if you try to do it with Circles. You have a lot of space left over but I think ah, a big dome would be really cool.

05:45.32

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's um I'm sure you've been in some cathedrals where the the ceilings you know they're they just kind of go up into a point where I've been in. Um I've been in big malokas.

05:52.56

Dr_ Placebo

Beautiful.

06:00.30

mikebledsoe

And the jungle where they're doing medicine ceremony and it all goes up to a point and I heard somebody talking about why don't we build our homes with a point um and or a cathedral like what why don't We build our home like a cathedral where there's this. Point that's going up right? and I think it might be that It's a little ungrounding and your attention gets funneled into that single place whereas with a box you can diffuse your attention a little more easily.

06:39.15

Dr_ Placebo

Um I think it's probably that plots of land are rectangular and a rectangular house will maximize your living space on them honestly and.

06:46.70

mikebledsoe

I Mean what if you had a rectangular house with ah with your ceilings coming to a point like to a single point like a tepee.

06:57.30

Dr_ Placebo

And and no ah, no rooms just 1 big room and.

06:59.49

mikebledsoe

Yeah, may well that that would suck So the round room doesn't really.

07:06.40

Dr_ Placebo

Right? I mean there there are some cool. Ah, there's some cool domes. There are some really cool like I've looked into it. Ah you know me I've looked into a lot of different alternatives for how to live and how to eat how to live how to exercise like what alternative is there. Let me.

07:15.65

mikebledsoe

Ah I mean.

07:22.79

Dr_ Placebo

Let me at least examine it and you can you can get a house built like a dome you can buy yourself a plot of land and you can have basically a kit sent to you because it's all triangles you know Buckminster Fullers the inventor of the geodesic dome. And it's ah it's a kit that 2 people can put up this whole thing because it's just like 1 row at a time of the ah same side same size triangles the whole way through and it's really kind of an interesting thing. Um.

08:00.27

Dr_ Placebo

But I think a lot of it has to do with the the plots of land and blending in.. There's most places that people live. There's a homogenization right? You you kind of want your house to look sort of like everyone else's and everyone has. This idea of what a house should look like like a fancy house looks like this and a medium fancy house looks like this and a not as cool house looks like this or whatever and we have these ideas of what it should look like right. Um I think it is if you have a rectangular plot of land though you're going to get more ah space with a rectangular house that that's for sure.

08:49.78

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think we need to start creating triangular plots of land. Let's see what we can do with that you might be able to fit more houses in a single in ah in an area who knows.

09:00.11

Dr_ Placebo

Um, that would make the thing that would make the well you also need roads too right? So it's ah it's interesting though to look at um.

09:05.91

mikebledsoe

Those damn roads.

09:18.80

Dr_ Placebo

Like New York city right is basically a grid like you know if you're on a and tenth street. you know exactly how to get to b and Twelfth street you know exactly how to get there

09:27.74

mikebledsoe

Well the but 1 of the best grids on the planet is phoenix completely flat. It is a straight up grid. Well I think about I think about ah like New York or Boston you look at the East Coast and

09:34.65

Dr_ Placebo

Because just straight up grids. Yeah.

09:44.51

mikebledsoe

A lot of those roads were built when you know it was horse and buggy or carriage and so they're not that wide and then only that they have to they have the there's might be some old buildings that to go around So it's not it is grid but not as great as Phoenix which was way more planned and then you have to worry about the.

09:53.90

Dr_ Placebo

Aha.

10:00.49

Dr_ Placebo

And more modern right.

10:03.36

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the the coastline you have the coastline that you have the that you have to work around. That's why on the west coast like you know like you can end up on a street that you're going east 1 minute and then north the next minute because it's having to go around everything but you go somewhere like Phoenix where it was.

10:17.40

Dr_ Placebo

Right? so.

10:19.64

mikebledsoe

Laid out in a grid. It's flat. There's nothing to go around is just a desert and now you now you get like this really, you can you can go to a street in Phoenix and look down the road and see blocks and blocks and blocks and blocks down the way without without any any blocking your view.

10:25.91

Dr_ Placebo

Great.

10:37.20

Dr_ Placebo

Um, and a lot of older cities are are more like um branches of like root systems or capillaries. Like Paris for example, there's like a central location and then it branches off. It's not really a grid. It's more like branches and rings. It's it's really interesting to see how we try to ah transport people around and if ah. If a place is growing um it it actually makes a lot of sense that it would be more like ah, a branching type of thing like a root system.

11:15.75

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think about shapes and um, what that does relationally for people or communally and one of the things that happens at burning man is everything's done circular so you have the center of the city.

11:21.65

Dr_ Placebo

Nothing of 1

11:30.84

Dr_ Placebo

And.

11:31.66

mikebledsoe

Basically black rock city and then ah the roads are by time so 2 to 15 to 30 so you've got a clock so those are your roads that that extend out and then the rings going around are abcd and of course.

11:42.26

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

11:51.55

mikebledsoe

Every year that like the D is different like you know, depending on the theme or whatever. But in this circular community.

12:00.81

Dr_ Placebo

So of course I don't understand that less.

12:04.34

mikebledsoe

Ah, what do you mean? Oh sorry, No no, no, no like E might be a different word. Yeah elephant one year. Yeah.

12:09.82

Dr_ Placebo

Abcd and then it's different like it's bigger or.

12:17.25

Dr_ Placebo

Like Elephant Okay, got it? Okay, ah you're like of course I'm like am I supposed to feel stupid now.

12:24.33

mikebledsoe

But the whole point of this podcast and see if I can make max feel stupid. But ah it hasn't It hasn't worked I don't know. Ah so that I think the circle um.

12:34.14

Dr_ Placebo

I Always feel stupid. Ah.

12:42.60

mikebledsoe

When people this is this really cool topic to talk about because we're talking about environment. How environment it's what raises and rings. Yeah Raisin rings are who I like that. So with the raisin rings. What I what I think is happening. There is it.

12:47.58

Dr_ Placebo

So it's rays and rings. it's it's rays it's Rays Rays and rings. Yeah.

13:01.51

mikebledsoe

Creates more? Um, it's It's hard to to say this is where this ends and this begins as much and there's more opportunity for people to interact from someone across town. So I can just follow this road and then now I'm on the other side of town.

13:20.52

mikebledsoe

Whereas with a block. It's like if I want to go? Yeah, you know if I want to go anything other than North Southheast or west if I want to like cut across town then I'm zigzagging or I'm having to make this big loop. But with the raisin rings you you can start at the center and then get anywhere. You want.

13:22.30

Dr_ Placebo

So.

13:35.18

Dr_ Placebo

A.

13:38.86

mikebledsoe

By just pointing and going. So I think there's.

13:47.61

Dr_ Placebo

Um, I mean you're always going to have to take somewhat of a circuititous path no matter if it's a grid or raises in rings that's kind of the nature of roads.

13:50.14

mikebledsoe

No matter what but I wonder I wonder what creates how what the social impact is if we're say say you're in ah and a structure you go into a tepee.

14:03.17

Dr_ Placebo

And.

14:05.59

mikebledsoe

Or you go into like a lot of like places where you do ceremony. They're all circular structures almost always yeah and it's because it it's like diminishes hierarchy and then ah.

14:16.80

Dr_ Placebo

Nights of the round table. Totally.

14:24.10

mikebledsoe

I Think it makes things more communal people are more if you're sitting in a circle you're more likely to talk to each other than if you're sitting in a square then it kind of feels a little weird. So I wonder.

14:34.83

Dr_ Placebo

Or like a big long rectangular desk where I sit at the head of the table in a really really big chair which is of course how I like to have all my interactions with all my lackeys lining the sides.

14:36.42

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, exactly? Yeah, so yeah.

14:48.71

mikebledsoe

A good example like I had dinner a few weeks ago where there was a dozen of us at a table at a restaurant and half the table I didn't talk to almost the entire time. But if we were sitting in a circle. It would have been a completely different experience so thinking about cities that are designed to be squares or circles. Um.

14:53.16

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, right.

15:03.46

Dr_ Placebo

M.

15:08.71

mikebledsoe

Also I I heard this recently that ah cities that are more circular based get more rain on average I need to find the information like actual data on that. But yeah.

15:27.32

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

15:27.47

Dr_ Placebo

More rain all fit I mean that's ah I have no clue what you're talking about I Understand the words you said and I wonder if it has to do with places that have more rainfall had. Earlier civilization and earlier civilizations had more circular ah systems of travel. But yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah.

15:53.14

mikebledsoe

Could be could be yeah I Just I think about um the older I get the more I think about how the environment is shaping. People's behavior in general because I think that the majority.

16:07.33

Dr_ Placebo

Button.

16:10.68

mikebledsoe

I know we talk about incentives here a lot too. But if you look at in what your environment and how that shapes someone's behavior and then the incentives put in place those 2 things are likely the biggest drivers of ah behavior.

16:21.32

Dr_ Placebo

Click m.

16:29.33

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, right? So where where you are and then the carrots and the sticks. Basically when I was doing a lot of ah virtual reality. It made me think a lot about environment because when you set up ah like a fancy.

16:29.94

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

16:47.13

Dr_ Placebo

Vr system. They have basically different areas where you can do different stuff. It's very compartmentalized and of course as you know I've been learning a lot about compartmentalizing with the puppies because you need to have them in a specific zone that is cleared. For puppies to not destroy all your shit basically and then you know I had this idea of basically you have a console for work and that's where you always do work and then you have a console or you have an area for eating. And that's where you always do your eating and then you have a place where you do your bathing and your bathrooming and we sort of have that. But um, just to even focus it down even more So. There's no question about what you do. When you're in a specific Area. You're like okay I'm at the console I'm doing ah you know writing and emails boom and that's the only thing I do in that place and when you're in a virtual reality. It's It's exactly that you can't do. Anything else because as soon as you're like oh I think I'm going to play a game. You actually are like teleported basically to a different place so you're not even there Anymore. So I think that's actually pretty valuable is to have a place where you go to work.

18:18.83

Dr_ Placebo

Place where you go to eat a place where you do this. It's not necessarily very very flexible. But I think it can help you get into that laser versus the lantern type of focus.

18:29.11

mikebledsoe

What you know? ah when Covid hit a lot of people were concerned that you know work wasn't going to get done and then they found out that people were working even more hours when they were working from home and they're.

18:45.40

Dr_ Placebo

E.

18:46.55

mikebledsoe

Inability to compartmentalize work from the rest of their life was demonstrated and and a lot of people didn't know how to manage that.

18:57.91

Dr_ Placebo

So so so they all became entrepreneurs.

19:01.95

mikebledsoe

Well, ah, the the amount of freelancers that exist is has skyrocketed in the last few years Tons of new freelancers. Um I did a presentation recently where I was highlighting that it was um I want to. Can I remember off top my head I want to say at least 15 % of the workforce in the us of freelancers maybe more um and it's just like it's growing at ah at such a fast pace and it's and it's a sign of the decentralization of. Of labor and ah these companies don't want to have you know people don't stay with the company for 203040 years anymore like they used to the last time I heard a figure on it was the average and this was like. Ten years ago they were talking about how average employment link has gone from 30 years to 7 I'm sure it's more like three or four years now so people are switching jobs a lot faster. Um companies want to be more agile.

20:05.13

Dr_ Placebo

Whoa.

20:12.81

mikebledsoe

Which means they need to be able to exchange their people out faster which means that employment contracts get replaced with with and and people are becoming more specialized due to technology. So now it's like I specifically work in this type of marketing you can hire my firm which might just be me.

20:26.63

Dr_ Placebo

Who.

20:32.42

mikebledsoe

And might be me and a team and now I'm ah now I'm contractor so now these what's happening is companies are even the big ones are reducing the amount of employees they have and they're increasing the amount of ten ninety nine s they have the the contractors.

20:35.89

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

20:50.17

Dr_ Placebo

In.

20:50.38

mikebledsoe

And um I my theory is this is this is part of the why they want to hire 87000 irs agents is because you have a bunch of people who have had taxes deducted out of their paycheck.

21:01.93

Dr_ Placebo

I.

21:09.32

mikebledsoe

Every paycheck for their entire life. They just went freelancer. They just turned ten ninety nine they didn't file their they didn't ah pay quarterly payments. They went to file realized they didn't have the money to pay the tax and not only that we're in the middle of recession.

21:17.12

Dr_ Placebo

So.

21:27.88

mikebledsoe

So and people are out of money already anyway and so now that's one I'm sure that's a ah factor. It's playing in in this decision try to squeeze the middle class more All these freelancers is ah is because of ah.

21:31.97

Dr_ Placebo

And.

21:42.62

Dr_ Placebo

I.

21:46.15

mikebledsoe

People don't know how to file their taxes now. So now they gotta hunt these people down.

21:54.29

Dr_ Placebo

Well I mean I I think it's even more simple than that if you hire a bunch of those thugs. It's ah 2 ways to win and no ways to lose because you're not even paying them with money that you earn you're paying them with money that you steal. So It's like.. It's kind of like two ways to win and no ways to lose which is a good way to go through life If You're an individual like give yourself opportunities where you have multiple ways to win and no ways to lose. Ah so I think it's more just like they can and why wouldn't they if that's their prerogative. But.

22:26.93

mikebledsoe

Yeah, um, no.

22:30.90

Dr_ Placebo

I Mean we don't want to have the whole podcast be ah, just about that. Probably just just another episode of fucking Max Angry. Ah. Episode 51 max is pissed Again. Ah.

22:50.41

mikebledsoe

Ah, it's not fair.

22:53.35

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, oh man, but it's not fair, but then again like once again like it's so important to have perspective and recognize that there's this constant rebalancing between business. And state where the the business is like okay you know you're going to work in our coal mine and by the way we have a little general store on the way out so you can spend all your money at our general store after your you know.

23:25.56

mikebledsoe

That I tell you about this.

23:28.16

Dr_ Placebo

12 hour shift in the coal mine you know because I feel I feel like ah yeah, yeah, yeah, like only 30 episodes ago. Ah like you you basically have your you basically own this little work town more or less.

23:33.55

mikebledsoe

Yeah man that shit blew my mind.

23:46.97

Dr_ Placebo

And South Park app actually did a little episode about that. Ah, where all a lot of the people were working for Amazon and then ordering packages on Amazon so they basically just got a job at Amazon doing grunt work. So they could support their habit of buying shit from Amazon it's like work 16 hours what do you get another day older and deeper in it. It sounds and it's like this whole thing. Ah so there there's like a constant. You know rebalancing of that right? but it still it still falls into the natural order of an alpha dominating everybody else and it doesn't matter if you're a wolf or something like that. You know it doesn't matter what animal. There's always this pyramid. Type hierarchy and um, you know that's I know you talk about decentralization a lot where everybody is more or less free to make their own choices and once again, that's what that's what America was originally intended to be I think was. Everybody's more um, sovereign over their choices and the consequences of those choices which is a big part of it right.

25:05.19

mikebledsoe

Yeah, with that comes the responsibility right? The yeah and that's I mean I think that's the key to the development of consciousness and people's ability to get in greater contact with reality is to. Suffer the consequences or reap the rewards of your behavior and when you're shielded from any of that.

25:32.58

Dr_ Placebo

And that's also the worst. Oh that's also the worst type of governance is when the people making the decisions don't assume the consequences for their behavior right.

25:45.11

mikebledsoe

Right? Well this this happens in um and business as Well, right? So when we look at and it usually so government creates Corporate. You know the idea of corporations right. Some some businessman comes along and says look if you allow me to create a corporation then I can and it'll shield me from liability from personally personally from my decisions in business and they go Oh. There's a great idea. It's gonna make a lot easier for. For investors.

26:26.93

mikebledsoe

I lost you for a second you there? Okay, good. Um and so and so this idea that people are now shielded from liability now you've got.

26:27.22

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

26:32.78

Dr_ Placebo

Oh yeah, I'm here.

26:43.76

mikebledsoe

You know, ah was just we can take it up and in their notch. You know you got Pfizer who was had the largest fraud case in all of human history and had to pay out all you know how much money it was it was a ridiculous amount. Not as much as Alex Jones Doesn have to pay for running his mouth but ah, that wasn't a fraud case. So this is like 1 of the biggest fraud cases in all of history less than a slap on the wrist and then ah, what. And which results in people dying. The results are people dying and what happens with a Ceo fizer the one who's ultimately responsible for the company. Nothing nothing the company pays the fee pays the fine. No repercussion. And a lot of people go well, that's capitalism and I go no this is this is a people who are capitalistic who are capitalizing on the use of government for violence so without without them leveraging government. Pfizer would be in every individual if you take the government out. Well then people start looking around with well who do we blame you know and you can start pointing fingers now I don't think that I think that the.

28:12.29

mikebledsoe

Even going after the Ceo of a company that just makes a drug is a diffusion of responsibility I would say what doctor prescribed this doctors are are shielded from liability as long as they follow these rules now they can't be found guilty of anything in court. Even if they were truly negligent and not practicing medicine appropriately as long as they follow the algorithm so you have all these things all these rules that are put in place. All these things are shielding liability that create an environment where people actually. Are not practicing judgment from moment to moment. They're just doing what they're told.

28:57.60

Dr_ Placebo

Like which is what you would want if you were in charge hundred percent like if I'm in charge I don't want people questioning what I say I would like to have a small secret group of advisors.

28:59.31

mikebledsoe

Um, which is yeah.

29:15.61

Dr_ Placebo

That help me make decisions but I wouldn't want the broad population to question anything I'm saying under any circumstance because that would just make things very difficult to do what I want right? So It makes sense that you would not want that. What's. Interesting to me is you know there's all this like wrongful death. Let's call it I think that's what we would Call. That's let's call it wrongful death if you can if you can pay a fine for wrongful death. Why can't you have a slave.

29:52.24

mikebledsoe

Ah.

29:53.14

Dr_ Placebo

Like like if there's a number that they've decided is like okay that's all right? You paid the money you you do your thing That's fine like why can't you have an indentured servant or something like that. It just seems I don't know.

30:09.77

mikebledsoe

Stop using your logic max. You're gonna you might trigger somebody. Ah.

30:17.75

Dr_ Placebo

It's like we try to say oh you can't value a human life and yet we do all the time.

30:21.34

mikebledsoe

Ah, it's worth $15 an hour for minimum wage for for minimum people. Um.

30:33.61

mikebledsoe

I Mean we do have all right all right? So so.

30:35.58

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, it's It's a little bit weird the way we try to like value human life. Ah like monetarily it sort of makes sense I guess like what you'd like I don't know the way that we.

30:44.40

mikebledsoe

Well, this is how I break it down look.

30:51.48

Dr_ Placebo

The way that we punish wrongdoing is really weird it Most of the time doesn't really provide any relief to the victimized party right? Someone commits a crime and we're like we're going to send you to Jail but then the victim is just fucked basically still.

31:07.60

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

31:11.38

Dr_ Placebo

So the taxpayers foot the bill of this alleged criminal now. But there's no like rested I mean once again like a lot of the stuff is done as badly as possible but like you say it's all about the incentives at play more than anything.

31:24.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, if someone wrongs somebody else or say we want to be humane right? We're not going to pay him back? Yeah, so like you Rob somebody maybe you you injure somebody and.

31:31.95

Dr_ Placebo

Pay him back. Pay him back.

31:41.67

mikebledsoe

They lose an eye or an arm or whatever it is. They can't do their work anymore. It's like all right? Well now you're working for them. You're not gonna enter.

31:50.63

Dr_ Placebo

Insurance companies figure it out insurance companies figure out exactly how much they're willing to pay if you hurt your leg. They know exactly if you have a pancrea Titis they have a schedule.

31:55.35

mikebledsoe

Exactly.

32:06.63

Dr_ Placebo

For exactly how much they're going to pay to help you resolve your pancreatitis. So why don't we have I mean look you just put me in charge and I will fix everything ah right before I'm assassinated.

32:08.30

mikebledsoe

Um I Love how we're solving all the world's problems right now.

32:20.75

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, so I mean this is interesting like you're right? There are all sorts of formulas for figuring out what the cost should be so somebody injures somebody else. It's like okay you owe me X amount of dollars and you've you've got to give me.

32:27.25

Dr_ Placebo

And then ah.

32:40.88

mikebledsoe

2 wo-thirds of your money that you make until then and so you're basically you basically lose your freedom of labor and time and of your own life in exchange for your wrongdoing and no one had to die that person could still improve their skills.

32:44.49

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

33:00.25

mikebledsoe

As a and they're late their skills of labor that could still contribute to society. They could still help build the wealth of the society and the person who is wrong gets made right.

33:13.89

Dr_ Placebo

Well and that's what taxation is right? It's part-time servitude and people don't recognize what an imposition that is especially when you consider the fact that there's no incentive for the people spending those stolen dollars to be efficient with them. You know.

33:25.68

mikebledsoe

Um, right? But what about the roads max. What about the roads.

33:33.53

Dr_ Placebo

Um, we would We would never have roads ever unless we were like deeply gouged every fucking year. There's no way. No one would think to lay down asphalt.

33:41.42

mikebledsoe

A lot of the roads out in California were not poured by anyone wasn't paid for gut by government. It was private roads that were built by lumber companies and other things that were later.

33:49.24

Dr_ Placebo

I Mean it's ridiculous like these arguments. But.

34:00.60

mikebledsoe

Purchased by the government but government didn't build those roads.

34:06.55

Dr_ Placebo

Well and just to push back I agree with you and I'm also glad that we didn't just let the lumber companies go full hog and completely take down every tree that existed in the western side of the United States because when you start looking at how efficient we have gotten at processing the environment. It is. It is really insane honestly, how good we are at catching fish. How good we are at processing lumber. Um the speed with which we can. Expand and procreate I mean even with relatively few offspring ah per couple per coupling. We can spread crazy fast. Um and I was I was watching this thing the other day it was about.

35:03.98

Dr_ Placebo

Another animal documentary. You know I love that stuff and these fish these fish these herring on near Vancouver island they go to lay their eggs. There. They do 20000 eggs per fish up to and they they plant them all individually. Everywhere. So. There's this huge influx of like a million fish. They each drop off like 20000 eggs and a lot of them get eaten by in the environment and then you have these wolves on Vancouver Island and they have like 2 wolf pups like 2 compared to 20000 so the amount of sophistication required and the investment per offspring is so significant the more complex of an animal you get. But I mean look how crazy good humans are at keeping offspring alive. It's incredible. So. On the one hand I guess I'm glad we didn't just go total free rain on ah you know, cutting down all the forests and eating every single animal. Um, but at the same time There's an incentive if you're a lumberjack to not. Ah, cut down every single tree right? So once again, you just want the incentives to be in place I always think of the Roman Bridge builders that's like my favorite example, you build a bridge you have to stand underneath it when we test it out that that's my favorite example.

36:33.23

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

36:40.89

Dr_ Placebo

So when you're looking for someone who's going to work for you. Make sure that their performance and their incentive are related. Simple is that if you're looking for work ah make sure that your performance and incentive are related. And all the other stuff we're talking about is mostly mental masturbation. Um, because it doesn't really affect the bottom line of what an individual can do what an individual can do is um, get clear on their values. And figure out how to provide value so value and values and regardless of what you decide to do as a profession just make sure that the incentive and the ah consequences are in the like the same place. Basically. So you can get so you can earn more if you do better and you earn less if you do worse and that way you really have Um, you're like the master of your destiny so to speak.

37:43.94

mikebledsoe

I Want to go back to the lumberjacks. So there's no one So there's an incentive for them not to cut everything down but the problem is sometimes people are short sighted. You need somebody else to come in with an objective.

37:59.22

Dr_ Placebo

True.

37:59.67

mikebledsoe

And objective perspective and go hey hey I'm looking at the bigger picture here. Don't do that anymore. Do it like this and then people either listen or don't listen, but that's where government comes in this because the government says well you have to listen to me or else I'll conduct violence on you? yeah.

38:17.44

Dr_ Placebo

Shoot you right? or put you in a box back to our boxes. We'll put it. We'll put you in a box that you don't want to be in you want to be in this other box. But we're going to put you in this one.

38:18.40

mikebledsoe

So you know yeah.

38:31.43

mikebledsoe

So How do you?? How do you motivate people I mean some people will argue that um I mean I do which is the lack of of ah the repercussions hitting that person individually is what's keeping them From. Understanding their their um the impact they're having and that's been going on generation after generation after generation they're shielded from it so people are actually become too dumb to realize the the impacts of of their behavior. So How do we.

39:07.96

mikebledsoe

How do we do? How do we do that without threatening violence like how do we get people to expand their awareness and not do dumb stuff without threatening them.

39:07.99

Dr_ Placebo

Well ignorance it.

39:21.76

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, well, it's like ah it's like heaven and hell basically it's it's a carrot or a stick and people are the natural condition of humans is ignorance the natural condition of any animal. Ignorance so you need to have some sort of carrot and some sort of stick and ah heaven and hell are really good examples of that but you need to have some sort of ah constructive incentive I Think that's why religion did work so Well. And has continued to work really well because it's like ah it's It's an untouchable goodness and badness like you can't even imagine how excellent heaven is and you can't even imagine how awful hell could possibly be.. You're like oh. You know about hell if you burned your hand.. It's like way worse than burning your hand.. It's like a thousand times worse than that and it's forever and you're like oh fuck forever that seems like a really long Time. You're like okay I guess I won't covet. My Neighbor's goods or something like that right? so. I Guess it's kind of the same thing. Um and some people don't give a shit about whether the local wildlife stays alive and some people take it way too Far. They're like oh you can't You can't build this.

40:52.70

Dr_ Placebo

Bridge here because it's going to impact the spawning of the the spotted pigmy something or other you know what I mean and you have like 5 ah people working full time to figure out and. Make up some fancy charts about why it's bad that you can't ah bad to build that bridge. So I don't I don't think there's a definitive answer other than you need to have with any group you need to have some sort of hierarchy because it's got to ultimately be somebody's decision.

41:29.66

mikebledsoe

Yeah, um I guess my question is does the hierarchy need to need to include violence you you guys just that's human nature. We need somebody who's gonna like to say you know what you better behave wrong gonna beat you down.

41:38.85

Dr_ Placebo

Well I think.

41:50.73

Dr_ Placebo

You know, a lot of people are robbing stores right now. Um from what I understand and I don't know if I'm getting bad information or not well I mean at my local home Depot I See a lot of ah tools.

41:54.57

mikebledsoe

I mean it's mostly in in Northern California

42:07.15

mikebledsoe

Ah, ah.

42:07.86

Dr_ Placebo

That are now locked up that were no were not locked up before and ah, you know there are some like there are some things that you can go on like next door and it's mostly a bunch of curtain twitchers like look lo and busybodies.

42:22.41

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

42:27.76

Dr_ Placebo

Just like oh can you believe these damn kids were riding their bikes without a helmet and it's like yes, kids are stupid and 1 of them might die and that'll be really sad but like do we really need to talk about it. Um, but they also discuss like what's going look and and you might die.

42:36.10

mikebledsoe

Ah I never wore a helmet when I was a kid just for the record.

42:46.57

Dr_ Placebo

You know it's just you got to accept the consequences right? code of Hamurabi had clear consequences for every crime if you pluck out a man's eye your eye gets plucked out if you kill a man you get killed if you rape a woman. Have to marry her and pay her dad 50 silver shekels. It's really weird rules but they had a clear consequence for every crime that there was and so people are talking about folks just walking out of stores with a bunch of stuff and I can't imagine. Being a business that's open all the time that people can just jack your stuff and walk out because the consequences of trying to stop them. Are you probably get sued or something crazy like that which is. Is way worse. We're talking like ah you know the litigiousness of our of our culture is so pathetic. Honestly, it's ah it really makes it harder for everybody.

43:51.77

mikebledsoe

Well this is the difference between what I saw between California and Florida we could take the 2 extremes here is you had people writing and stealing and all that stuff and in California you know you actually tried to stop.

44:08.43

Dr_ Placebo

And.

44:10.29

mikebledsoe

Like if you harm somebody and trying to stop them from stealing from you like you're going to be in trouble and they're not going to charge a person for theft and they're just like no property rights just aren't honored there or in Florida my buddy he lives in Miami and. All the rightots were were going pretty strong like two and a half years ago and I forget exactly what what person in government said this you know don't know if it was like the sheriff or if it was the mayor or the governor or whoever it was they were like all right. If you own a store and people are coming in that try to Rob you, you can shoot them. We encourage you to they basically encourage the behavior that you're gonna get you know? Ah, ah, what's it called. They're gonna try to do something to you in California. So.

44:56.92

Dr_ Placebo

And.

45:06.18

mikebledsoe

All these business owners. They're like okay so they go to their stores. They aren't armed I think 1 or 2 guys got shot they died and then all the writing stopped and it it's the you that um.

45:06.81

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

45:16.48

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah Incentives work the incentive to not get shot is tremendous.

45:26.47

mikebledsoe

But the thing is is what you have in in Florida was the government getting out of the way you say you know what we're actually not going to ah get in the way of you protecting your life your property. Your labor because your property is your labor It's a product of your labor and you know our job is to make sure that ah we're not going to fuck that up and that if someone else comes and fucks up your your property your labor your your life then we're going to help you know, bring.

45:53.27

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

46:04.00

mikebledsoe

Some type of ah Justice there. But in the meantime if you are going to be able to bring your own justice very quickly and defend yourself because if you break if someone breaks into your house. They have to me they initiated violence. They just. They broke a window. They didn't harm me physically but they they have just that they put their life on the line there because I have no idea what their intentions are right.

46:36.70

Dr_ Placebo

I totally agree and you don't have enough time to figure out if they're just trying to take your television or if they're trying to murder you and then take your television like there's no way to tell so basically in Florida what they did is they.

46:45.38

mikebledsoe

There's no way to tell.

46:53.29

mikebledsoe

Right? right.

46:54.37

Dr_ Placebo

They did not interfere with self-defense. That's all they didn't do right? So if you just don't interfere with self-defense things have a way of rebalancing themselves and it reminds me of when I was in Oklahoma with ah my grandpa.

47:12.21

Dr_ Placebo

He took me to this jewelry store where ah we didn't have to go there like he wasn't going to pick up jewelry or anything. He just knew the owner of the jewelry store and wanted me to meet this guy and see the bullet holes in the wall.

47:28.29

mikebledsoe

Ah, and yeah.

47:28.30

Dr_ Placebo

Because this guy I was like fourteen years old I was like whoa this is pretty heavy stuff. Ah, and so basically some some guy came into the jewelry store and said to the owner give me your money but the jewelry store owner had a shotgun mounted. Underneath the ah ah like display case and he just fired out like both barrels of a shotgun basically and he left the little beeb's ah, some of them were red some like red Beebe's in the far wall and he just left them. There. And I was just saying wow that is like a strong incentive to not do that and it's like if that's not ah if it's not okay to defend yourself. Do you really want to be part of that group and I think for most rational people they would say no. Right? I don't want to just be a sitting duck. Basically.

48:27.59

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think it's um I found it interesting over the last couple years how a lot of the same people who have been preaching consent around sex are the same ones that.

48:43.54

Dr_ Placebo

Oh yeah.

48:45.60

mikebledsoe

Ah, will be the first ones be like don't defend yourself and went from things that aren't rape. It's like it's like it's like it's like ah sex gets put in a super special category I think I think I.

48:52.82

Dr_ Placebo

Totally.

49:03.61

Dr_ Placebo

Rape is not about sex Rape is not about sex. It is about choice almost everybody really likes sex. It's just that they want it to be their choice right? That's it. It's like most people like food.

49:11.00

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

49:20.80

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

49:20.57

Dr_ Placebo

They just don't want to be like force fed food through a funnel or something like that. It's all about choice. It has nothing to do with sex is like just barely the ah the medium for that removal of choice.

49:32.29

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think I think when it comes to sex is extra touchy because women specifically are at a disadvantage in those scenarios right? It's very rare.

49:45.93

Dr_ Placebo

Well why would you say that I don't understand can you explain because women are just as strong as men.

49:52.38

mikebledsoe

So ah.

49:57.86

mikebledsoe

Ah, they can also have penises.

50:04.50

Dr_ Placebo

And their penises are just as big. Ah god.

50:04.70

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, ah actually to make this a little bit more clear for people. Um, yeah, if you're if you're a man then your your job and for sex is to penetrate and then for the woman is to receive that Penetration. So.

50:22.56

Dr_ Placebo

Oh God I've been doing it all wrong.

50:26.76

mikebledsoe

Ah, so ah, yeah, it that the the the penetrators are are more likely to be the rapist is what I'm getting at so that's right the point.

50:38.31

Dr_ Placebo

The penetrators are the perpetrators is what you're saying.

50:42.38

mikebledsoe

More often than not so um, so I think that in our society sex is ah yeah, that for some reason it's way touchier when it comes to consent when it comes to sex but it. There it when it comes to physical violence or when it comes to injecting people with experimental drugs go going to War Consent. It's I.

51:11.10

Dr_ Placebo

Going to war taxation.

51:16.78

mikebledsoe

Tell people who go who have the realization that I'm um, talking about here and they go holy shit like these people are like arguing for consent here but not over here and there's a lot of things like that I go. Well yeah, it's because people don't understand principles. People are. Ah, if they were actually principally based they would then say well consent matters in every situation. There are no special occasions for when consent is is not okay or you know isn't isn't useful.

51:53.63

Dr_ Placebo

Agreed greed.

51:54.25

mikebledsoe

And so ah, the majority of people in politics the majority of people who care about politics are very hypocritical so you know if you're getting mad at somebody else about you know because if you look at the left. They basically say we want consent for this but not this if you look at the right They say the same thing we want consent for this but not this and they're basically just arguing over who's going to be able to boss the other one around and who's going to not be bossed around.

52:29.21

Dr_ Placebo

Right? There's like 5 things that they'll never agree on and never budge an inch and then 1000000 things that everybody agrees on because it's just super obvious and that's what keeps people divided the five things that no one will budge on.

52:35.67

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, the 5 the 5 things.

52:49.10

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, yeah, you're 100% right it is all about consent I think um I mean there's not much else to say really, it's just that people are trapped where they're just feeling something.

53:02.65

mikebledsoe

5 my.

53:04.75

Dr_ Placebo

Something just feels wrong to them. But the other thing feels right to them and we're we're trained to seek authority from some higher figure and that person is going to make it right. That Authority figure is going to make it right? and it's always like people are always in favor of that people want the leader with a big stick who says my way or the highway until the other guy gets in charge like I feel like a broken record sometimes. But it's like everybody is like oh we hate that guy in Charge. He's doing all these executive orders and then the next guy comes in and they're like yeah look at our guy taking charge making those executive orders. It's like no dude What? like? okay.

53:53.18

mikebledsoe

I.

54:00.46

mikebledsoe

Terrible.

54:02.11

Dr_ Placebo

Democracy is also a bad idea. That's why capitalism at least true capitalism would be a lot better because look if 51% of the people vote that it's okay to rape the other 49 of their stuff or their anuses. Whatever. Right? It doesn't matter. That's okay, according to democracy because it's still just glorified mob rule that they put their leader in charge and they can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want because they have the biggest stick around and it's just crazy that people think that is the best way to go go about it. Rather than mostly leaving it up to the individuals each and every day to decide what they value and how they want to spend their dollars how they want to spend their time how they want to spend their ah resources right.

54:51.12

mikebledsoe

Um, but how could we control them the ah.

55:02.27

Dr_ Placebo

I Mean some things you need if you're going to be a leader though. You do need to have some sort of um, incentive for people to want to be part of your group right? That's the.

55:11.42

mikebledsoe

Yeah, you got gotta to make someone else the villain you know like I'm gonna save you from these people over here I mean I learned most of what.

55:17.82

Dr_ Placebo

That's the main thing.

55:24.16

Dr_ Placebo

I'm going to save you from an invisible scourge that is ravaging the world by the way. It's totally invisible. You can't see it don't breathe the air. It will kill you.

55:33.67

mikebledsoe

Other Invisibles scourges inflation. Let's see inflation is Evil Ah, ah, there's another one. Ah and this up.

55:46.70

Dr_ Placebo

So do we talk about how we're trying to fix inflation by printing more dollars and giving everyone more money. Do we talk about that.

55:50.81

mikebledsoe

And and inflation terrorism. These are things that are invisible that ah you can you can scare the be Jesus out of people. So like you know we're gonna get those terrorists I'm like who are the terrorists. You know the terrorists like can you show me one of them.

56:06.81

Dr_ Placebo

Well, if terrorism if Terrorism is controlling people through if terrorism is controlling people through fear. No one is a bigger terrorist than our own media and government. No question. Not even.

56:08.67

mikebledsoe

Are they wearing a uniform.

56:16.44

mikebledsoe

Yeah says Cnn.

56:24.25

Dr_ Placebo

not even close. It's not even close it's so it's so crazy far ahead like Al Qaeda we shouldn't even know their name based on the small percentage of terror they've instilled versus these media conglomerates which people are mainlining. Every day like a fucking drug. They're like oh god I forgot I wasn't supposed to be I forgot I was supposed to be afraid every second of every fucking day right.

56:51.34

mikebledsoe

I Think the same thing goes for um I got the inflation I think dude.

56:57.20

Dr_ Placebo

Oh my god North Korea North Korea is going to get us that country across the sea that can barely feed themselves. Oh god thanks for reminding me to be afraid of North Korea

57:08.12

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, ah was it last night I was hanging out with some friends and they were talking about the chinese have created an artificial sun that's 5 times hotter and I go well where is this. And go it's in a nuclear. They got some like reactor or whatever and I'm like man I'm having a really hard time believing this because the chinese are terrible innovators. They're very good at copying things ah like 80% as good as it was originally intended to be but they're not making anything new. They're definitely not creating a sun and extracting energy from it and they were getting I think something like that.

57:54.42

Dr_ Placebo

Well, do they just mean a nuclear reactor that is more efficient because those things are very those things are very hot and you'd be sort of I I believe we can make stuff that's hotter than the sun. Um, don't quote me on that. But I think there's a lot of stuff that we can. Make that's hotter than the sun. It's not necessarily true that we can extract a ton of energy out of it Although Nuclear power plants are crazy efficient compared to anything else that we've sorted out So if they have a nuclear reactor. That's even you know 20% more efficient.

58:18.12

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

58:31.20

Dr_ Placebo

That might actually already be hotter than the sun but probably whatever information they read is so misleading right? because now we're trying to get eyeballs that have just been skull fucked every day for the last decade of like the 1 thing you should be afraid of or.

58:50.24

mikebledsoe

Um, well there' a the conversation I was having with my friends yesterday went from it went from China's got a sun. It's hot than the sun or ah, that's hot than yet the sun and then.

58:50.26

Dr_ Placebo

Is the apocalypse happening today here's what you should do. It's like every this is like oh my god like how could you? ah.

59:04.89

mikebledsoe

It was all ref in the conversation about ah Russia and nuclear war unlike I'm like oh you just got like spun up so anything that you could be afraid of from a country that's on the other side of the planet. You're freaking out and then they're like yeah I mean they mean nuclear war I'm like I'm like.

59:12.20

Dr_ Placebo

Great. Okay.

59:24.52

mikebledsoe

Russia can't is not gonna get a warhead into like America. It's not gonna like they don't have the they they could shoot something this direction but I don't think it's gonna make it and and again, yeah, it's not good.

59:39.72

Dr_ Placebo

And if it did what's the probability that it hits you.

59:42.69

mikebledsoe

Yeah I mean people are then they're like oh the fallout and all this I'm like unlike maybe but here's the thing with the chinese sun and the russian nukes I can't do a damn thing about either 1 of them like I I'm not. Ah.

59:59.57

Dr_ Placebo

Better start building that Bunker blood. So the blood so bunker. Okay here.

01:00:04.16

mikebledsoe

Ah, oh we should start selling this all right. The new new New direction for the show. We scare the shit out of people.

01:00:12.36

Dr_ Placebo

You can order your blood so bunker and it it 5 5 3 2 4 5 call now to reserve your blood snow bunker. It comes with six months of food six months of water. You're welcome simple simple as that right.

01:00:17.30

mikebledsoe

That's a.

01:00:25.80

mikebledsoe

that's ah that's Alex Jones's that's Alex Jones ' whole thing just scares the shit of you. Oh my god the world's gonna end the pedophiles are gonna drop nukes on us. But and then it's like commercial comes in. It's like.

01:00:30.56

Dr_ Placebo

I Mean. Totally yeah.

01:00:40.98

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, the pedophiles are going to drop new on.

01:00:41.31

mikebledsoe

Buy the fair supply by my food supply.

01:00:47.74

Dr_ Placebo

Right? Totally by this bucket of slop that will keep you alive in your bunker and okay so one 1 thing that's practical insurance and acceptance most people aren't spending their lives all that well anyway.

01:00:50.17

mikebledsoe

A.

01:01:06.87

Dr_ Placebo

Now I'm not 1 to judge right? But if you're just afraid you're just afraid all the time like is that really a way to live and there are only 2 things you can do about the future insurance and acceptance and if you're going to get insurance.

01:01:07.36

mikebledsoe

Um.

01:01:22.78

Dr_ Placebo

You got to set it and forget it Otherwise the insurance is a waste of fucking time. It's like buying fire insurance and then every day worrying that your house is going to burn down. It's stupid. Yeah, very nice. Excellent.

01:01:31.13

mikebledsoe

That's why I cover my house with water every morning you know, just in case. Yeah.

01:01:41.25

Dr_ Placebo

I'm sure it takes ah a really long time. Ah, just and I'm sure it's really good for the materials to be constantly drenched in water.

01:01:44.56

mikebledsoe

Um, oh I I got ah I got a buddy who lives in tahoe and was it last year. Yeah, it was last year basically tahoe was on fire.

01:02:00.27

mikebledsoe

While burning renegade burning man was happening so he walks out of his house. He sprays it down with a hose and then he just leaves the hose on to try to make the property as wet as possible gets in his car and goes to burning man for a week

01:02:12.80

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

01:02:20.28

mikebledsoe

And that was acceptance. He's like he's like I did the best thing I could do and you know my house and might not be there when I get back.

01:02:24.80

Dr_ Placebo

That's an option that is an option.

01:02:31.96

Dr_ Placebo

Insurance and acceptance you got to figure out what'll make you feel comfortable and just set it and forget it. There's no point in buying the insurance If you're going to worry about it all the time and you ultimately. Like everything comes back to accepting your own impermanence and the ego is only ever trying to gain more and more permanence so they're at odds with one another. So unless you bring acceptance into it. There's no amount of insurance that'll make you feel really safe. You'll be.. You'll be deep in a bunker. You'll be like oh fuck I forgot about Earthquakes I'll be totally fucked down here in this bunker If. There's an earthquake and then you're like okay I need a I need it to be in the Sky. No I need it to be on the Moon. And then you live on the moon and you're like fuck. There's no asteroid defense on the moon and it's like ah I don't know kind of like the same Hedonic treadmill where you are just so focused on material. Um things. You're like oh I need a better house and a better car and a better this and a better that and you know realistically ah, most people just want to feel ah like they're in flow with whatever the thing they're doing is some sort of play.

01:04:01.73

Dr_ Placebo

For some people play is playing cards with their friends or having ah an adult beverage with friends and just talking but people really just want to play more than anything else. But if you're so hellbent on like I got to get safe I got to get safe I got to get safe. You're just gonna be stuck in your lizard brain. So You're not going to make a very good forwardthink decision. You're gonna make short-term decisions that assuage the fear of the lizard. So You know we have those 3 tiers lizard mammal and wizard and if you don't feel safe. You're gonna be stuck in Lizard mode and be like I got to get safe I got to get safe I got to get safe. You won't go to the mammal level where you're like I got to find love I Got to find love I Got to find love of course it's the easiest thing to find you just you just be Love. That's it. It's it's like. The easiest thing ever and the hardest thing for most people to do and if you feel safe if you feel that not only are you loved but you are loved then you have this wizard brain that can be creative and think of new things and. Tell jokes and play music and play games and think about what would be good in the future without being totally trapped by the fear of the lizard or the lack of love in the mammal. But if you're if you're stuck just like being bounced around from fear to fear.

01:05:34.19

Dr_ Placebo

Via Terrorism I mean you're just playing into the hands of the people who are profiting from that terrorism right.

01:05:39.82

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, and you got to be careful I mean media? What what media are you consuming the fact that you're here consuming this media I think you've made a good choice. But yeah, if you're consuming Cnn Msnbc Fox News they're gonna be just scaring a shit out of you all the time. Um. And then.

01:05:59.37

Dr_ Placebo

And it and it probably won't even change your decisions in like a constructive way. It'll just make you. It'll just make you more afraid right.

01:06:03.38

mikebledsoe

Not in a good way Now it'll make you more it. Ah you know you got fight flight freeze most people freeze you know I don't know what to do I'm going to freeze and they they they freeze in.

01:06:13.20

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah.

01:06:20.43

mikebledsoe

Being able to move forward in their life. Um, so you got also need to look at who you're hanging out with if you're hanging out with people who are always talking about prepping for the apocalypse you're probably not going to make a lot of forward motion in your life. Ah, if shit hits the fan. You might be a little more prepared may probably not.

01:06:34.11

Dr_ Placebo

Totally.

01:06:39.15

mikebledsoe

Because my my whole thing on it is I hang out with some people who sometimes get a little far into the prepper mode and I help you know fish them out a little bit and then I also have another group of friends who that never crosses their mind whatsoever and every you know unicorns and rainbows are coming.

01:06:49.62

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

01:06:55.75

Dr_ Placebo

At once.

01:06:58.91

mikebledsoe

The reality is somewhere in the middle and the but it's helpful because I like to visit the friends that are unicorns and rainbows because it helps balance me out ah from like hanging out with people who are like freaking out the end is coming I'm like look.

01:07:00.72

Dr_ Placebo

Right? so.

01:07:17.88

mikebledsoe

Things are gonna change. It may be really uncomfortable but like as you were saying the impermanence is always there So how it changes and you think you're gonna predict that I've never predicted how something was going to go accurately. Ah.

01:07:29.70

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

01:07:37.27

mikebledsoe

I Mean only vague predictions will be like oh this guy will win. This guy will lose or this even then my predictions aren't that great like the the track record's not amazing is like oh this business work. This one won't well I thought all my businesses were gonna work and not all of them did so not the way I.

01:07:45.00

Dr_ Placebo

A.

01:07:55.82

mikebledsoe

Not the way I wanted them to um, they worked in their own way and so same thing with life.

01:07:59.75

Dr_ Placebo

Right? Ah so you want the preppers you want the preppers to set up your insurance and you want to hang with the unicorn and rainbow crew because it's going to be a lot more fun. Ah.

01:08:07.67

mikebledsoe

I Don't let out my secret man.

01:08:17.27

Dr_ Placebo

Oh Wow I couldn't have figured that who could have figured that out.

01:08:18.94

mikebledsoe

Ah, blowing my cover bro. Yeah.

01:08:23.52

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, ah boy I'm sure no one would think of that your plus plus if everyone else do is does it then you can't right? That's like ah it.

01:08:32.18

mikebledsoe

Yeah I mean we might end up with a lot of really healthy adjusted people if they all did what I did but instead I need to keep some of them in the clouds and some of them in in deep fear.

01:08:44.66

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, it's not ah, it's well it's not a 0 sum game right? It's actually the more like so the micro level like for you and I as individuals. Um the more value that. We can provide the better off. We are the more concrete. Um, our values are the more that we know and can love ourselves the easier it is to make decisions and broadly speaking in a community the more value every individual provides the healthier that. Community is because if you have people who earn nothing and don't provide anything of value. Well here's what you can do you can work. You can beg and you can steal and those are the only 3 ways you can get stuff Basically so if everyone. Has something valuable then we can all work and earn and the overall value and the health of the group economy community whatever is significantly higher I mean that's hopefully what's happening here is there's a small group of people. Maybe a large group of people who are listening to these are like oh yeah, you know what? I I now can work past this fear I was having and maybe I can ah accept my own mortality a little bit more so I can create more value for myself and that has.

01:10:19.11

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, a network effect to everything around them or a butterfly effect or a domino effect. Whatever ah analogy works for you right? So it's um, when everybody does better every does everybody does better even though that sounds really stupid. But it's true.

01:10:30.76

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and the only time that's not it doesn't seem like it's true is when people start getting into comparison. It's like the United States due to capitalism has become the wealthiest country on the planet and the average person is.

01:10:37.89

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

01:10:47.62

mikebledsoe

Look if you're an american you are the 1 % globally and yet people can't seem to to understand that. Um, so it's good to the only the only time that's not going to apply is if you start getting into to relative comparisons. Inside of ah ah, a small bubble which might be a a single country.

01:11:18.70

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, that's true and and we're taught to look look up right? Who's doing better than us. Um, and if it's inspirational for you Then that's good and if it makes you envious then that's probably not as good.

01:11:19.76

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:11:35.39

Dr_ Placebo

Because as we like to say envy is the only one of the 7 deadly sins that you can't have any fun at so why? bother? ah.

01:11:42.78

mikebledsoe

I I yeah say we shut it down at that max you want to summarize I mean I think we we had ah another show that was full of many different topics.

01:11:58.62

Dr_ Placebo

Well I I really enjoyed myself and as far as value is concerned I think there's hardly anything more valuable than your physical and mental health and if you'd like to put some skin in the game you can order. A program at macshank.com and you will be much better for it and I thank you all for listening Mike.

01:12:20.11

mikebledsoe

Excellent. Yeah I'm still up to some secret stuff. You can get on that email list on the the link over in my Instagram account people have been trickling in to strong trickle. Um, and yeah. I'll email you about what's coming up. Got a new course I'm launching the day before this podcast comes out. So if you're not checking the emails and you're already missed out but I'll be ah, posting some more stuff up in the next month so be prepared.

01:12:36.80

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

01:12:55.52

mikebledsoe

And my yeah, yeah, it's it's exciting stuff my Instagram account at Mike Underscore bloodso and I'll see you guys next week

01:12:56.66

Dr_ Placebo

Very exciting.

01:13:03.56

Dr_ Placebo

Mean. Love you buddy.