Episode #83: talkPOPc on Montez Press Radio featuring Resident Philosophers Nicholas Whittaker, Carolina Flores and Dr. Dena Shottenkirk in conversation: "Philosophy as conversation", "Art as conversation" & "talkPOPc as thought-building and love"

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Timestamps

• 00:00: Introductions, Experiences as Resident Philosophers and a bit of History 9 years running
• 01:20: Art and Philosophy. Both are just conversations. Building of thought
• 02:50: The tent, the stranger, the conversation. Sharing magical moments with the world
• 03:55: Nicholas, intimacy of philosophical conversation. People get intimidated by philosophy. "I don't know what cognition is" and pulling out the glimmer
• 05:50: Trust and the importance of the 1:1. No dominance, no right or wrong. Just collaboratively talking
• 06:40: Carolina chimes in. Serious conversations, but it's a bit exhausting. Completely attending to your conversation partner takes energy. Almost a loving perspective to give them the attention they deserve
• 09:10: The backboard/springboard for conversation and thought to take off. It takes being informal, there's no script and you process your way through the conversation.
• 10:30: It's hard to turn off the philosophical practice of theoretical frameworks. It's easy to listen, but it's dangerous if you try to fit your conversational partner's worldview into something else. It's about drawing out a worldview
• 12:50: Sascha Benjamin Fink and doing philosophy for the first time. Turning away from opinion jousting and instead turning towards collective consensus.
• 16:00: We don't know what we think unless we sit down to articulate it. Normally, our lives don't encourage that. The benefits of creating space for articulation of thought
• 17:20: No citations necessary. No goal/rule to chase. Just a sandbox to explore thoughts. An interface between two individuals
• 19:50: Sense of ownership in philosophical practice. You both own it, but neither of you own it.
• 21:50: The importance of ensemble. The massive amount of people that inform us, and a network of information.
• 24:05: Taking thought away from social structure and making it cooperative. Listening is the key.
• 26:05: Art as the thing that makes you stop in your tracks.
• 30:40: Experiencing the world as holding some impenetrable secret. There's something lost when we lose our sense of wonder. The richness of someone's inner life can get lost in the shuffle.
• 32:05: If you try to get too deep into the art, you won't get it. You'll miss the important essence of it.
• 34:05: The role of the puppet. It's static and permanently attentive
• 35:05: The attention gets you access to the value and builds it as well. Putting in the work to pay attention to someone. There's a sense of intimacy involved.
• 38:00: When you first start listening to music, you try to hunt for some secret. What's the secret value here? But as you listen more with care and attention, you find the personality in it.
• 40:30: Our emotions drive the way in which we learn. Love and attention help us construct things collectively.
• 42:30: Blindfolding and allowing yourself to trust someone. Anonymity takes over for the 30 minutes of the conversation.
• 44:30: The role of circus in making thought a joyful act. It's not exhausting, and you can make it fun.
• 47:50: Outro

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Kapitel

1. Introductions, Experiences as Resident Philosophers and a bit of History 9 years running (00:00:00)

2. Art and Philosophy. Both are just conversations. Building of thought (00:01:20)

3. The tent, the stranger, the conversation. Sharing magical moments with the world (00:02:50)

4. Nicholas, intimacy of philosophical conversation. People get intimidated by philosophy. "I don't know what cognition is" and pulling out the glimmer (00:03:55)

5. Trust and the importance of the 1:1. No dominance, no right or wrong. Just collaboratively talking (00:05:50)

6. Carolina chimes in. Serious conversations, but it's a bit exhausting. Completely attending to your conversation partner takes energy. Almost a loving perspective to give them the attention they deserve (00:06:40)

7. The backboard/springboard for conversation and thought to take off. It takes being informal, there's no script and you process your way through the conversation. (00:09:10)

8. It's hard to turn off the philosophical practice of theoretical frameworks. It's easy to listen, but it's dangerous if you try to fit your conversational partner's worldview into something else. It's about drawing out a worldview (00:10:30)

9. Sascha Benjamin Fink and doing philosophy for the first time. Turning away from opinion jousting and instead turning towards collective consensus. (00:12:50)

10. We don't know what we think unless we sit down to articulate it. Normally, our lives don't encourage that. The benefits of creating space for articulation of thought (00:16:00)

11. No citations necessary. No goal/rule to chase. Just a sandbox to explore thoughts. An interface between two individuals (00:17:20)

12. Sense of ownership in philosophical practice. You both own it, but neither of you own it. (00:19:50)

13. The importance of ensemble. The massive amount of people that inform us, and a network of information. (00:21:50)

14. Taking thought away from social structure and making it cooperative. Listening is the key. (00:24:05)

15. Art as the thing that makes you stop in your tracks. (00:26:05)

16. Experiencing the world as holding some impenetrable secret. There's something lost when we lose our sense of wonder. The richness of someone's inner life can get lost in the shuffle. (00:30:40)

17. If you try to get too deep into the art, you won't get it. You'll miss the important essence of it. (00:32:05)

18. The role of the puppet. It's static and permanently attentive (00:34:05)

19. The attention gets you access to the value and builds it as well. Putting in the work to pay attention to someone. There's a sense of intimacy involved. (00:35:05)

20. When you first start listening to music, you try to hunt for some secret. What's the secret value here? But as you listen more with care and attention, you find the personality in it. (00:38:00)

21. Our emotions drive the way in which we learn. Love and attention help us construct things collectively. (00:40:30)

22. Blindfolding and allowing yourself to trust someone. Anonymity takes over for the 30 minutes of the conversation. (00:42:30)

23. The role of circus in making thought a joyful act. It's not exhausting, and you can make it fun. (00:44:30)

24. Outro (00:47:50)