First conversation with Alain Naudé – The circus of man’s struggle

Urgency of Change • The Krishnamurti Podcast

Alain Naude was Krishnamurti’s private secretary in the 1960s. He met Krishnamurti in 1963 whilst a music lecturer at Pretoria University and a professional concert pianist. He gave up his teaching and performing in 1964 to work with Krishnamurti. Fluent in several languages, he was very helpful at international gatherings and in attracting younger audiences to Krishnamurti’s talks at a time of cultural change in the West.

This conversation with Krishnamurti was recorded in Malibu, California in 1972 and begins by asking: Why do we divide the world as the human being and the divine? When I realise that my consciousness is the consciousness of the world, and the consciousness of the world is me, whatever change takes place in me affects the whole of consciousness. Can human consciousness undergo a radical change? To find out if there is something beyond this consciousness I must understand the content of consciousness. The mind must go beyond itself. Do we realise that the observer is the content itself? If there is no thought, there is no thinker. If the observer is the observed, what is the nature of change in consciousness? Will is not the factor of change. Radical revolution in consciousness takes place when there is no conflict at all.

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