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The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide: Where Therapists Live, Breathe, and Practice as Human Beings It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when clinicians must develop a personal brand to market their private practices, and are connecting over social media, engaging in social activism, pushing back against mental health stigma, and facing a whole new style of entrepreneurship. To support you as a whole person, a business owner, and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.

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Navigating Incel Culture: Therapy Approaches for Manosphere Clients 47:24

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Navigating Incel Culture: Therapy Approaches for Manosphere Clients Curt and Katie respond to all the discussions that popped up about the Netflix series Adolescence and its portrayal of a 13-year-old boy accused of murder. We chat about the complexities of working with clients labeled as "incels." We also explore the importance of understanding the impact of that label (especially when clients are not self-identified as “incels”), internet culture - particularly the manosphere, and the challenges therapists can face when working with clients holding these beliefs. Transcripts and additional information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode we discuss working with clients labeled as "incels" Curt and Katie explore the focus on “incels” in the discussions about the Netflix series Adolescence. We dive into the nuances of understanding internet subcultures and how therapists can effectively work with clients influenced by the manosphere, while also addressing concerns about suicidality, homicidality, and therapy strategies. What is an "Incel" and where does that term fit into the evolution of the manosphere internet community? Challenges in therapy with clients from the manosphere (incels, red pill, men's rights groups) The intersection of autism and the incel community in therapy Safety concerns: Suicidality and homicidality in clients from manosphere communities Strategies for effective therapy with clients from the incel/manosphere communities Key treatment goals when working with clients from the incel community Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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Planning for Death or Incapacitation - What Therapists Need to Do: An interview with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D. 43:39

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Planning for Death or Incapacitation - What Therapists Need to Do: An interview with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D. Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D., of TheraClosure about professional wills and what therapists need to do to effectively plan for their own incapacity or death. She shares her experience stepping in as a practice executor for colleagues, the trauma that can result when therapists disappear without explanation, and the systems she’s created through her program to provide compassionate and organized transitions for patients. This is a conversation about professional wills, ethical responsibilities, and why planning for the worst brings peace of mind. Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! (Show notes provided in collaboration with Otter.ai and ChatGPT.) In this podcast episode, we talk about planning for a therapist’s unexpected absence, incapacity, or death Too many therapists avoid thinking about what will happen to their clients if they can no longer practice due to sudden illness, incapacitation, or death. Dr. Robyn Miller joins Curt and Katie to discuss why it’s essential to have a professional will, and how to make sure you’re not leaving your clients without closure or support. Why Therapists Must Plan for Death or Incapacitation What Goes into a Professional Will for Therapists The Role and Burden of a Practice Executor Creating a Plan that’s Clinically Thoughtful Systemic Issues and Professional Responsibility Action Steps for Modern Therapists Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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Interpersonal Branding - Therapist Marketing That Aligns With Who You Are: An interview with Carrie Wiita 42:27

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Interpersonal Branding - Therapist Marketing That Aligns With Who You Are: An interview with Carrie Wiita Curt and Katie chat with Carrie Wiita about authenticity, first impressions, and why traditional business coaching doesn’t work for most therapists. Carrie critiques traditional business coaching models that rely on anecdotal “success stories” and mindset hype, and instead offers a relational, thoughtful, and research-informed framework to help therapists show up in alignment with their professional identities. We also explore the unique challenges therapists from marginalized communities face in marketing, and how systemic issues influence visibility and access. Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can market themselves ethically, authentically, and effectively Marketing for therapists doesn’t have to feel slimy, manipulative, or one-size-fits-all. Carrie Wiita, a marketing therapist and creator of interpersonal branding, shares how therapists can use their natural strengths, values, and clinical insights to build trust through marketing—without pretending to be someone they’re not. What is Interpersonal Branding for Therapists? The Problem with Traditional Business Coaching for Therapists The Impact of First Impressions on the Therapeutic Relationship Navigating Identity and Professional Boundaries as a Therapist Marketing and Systemic Oppression with the Therapist Profession Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on JotPsych 49:17

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Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on JotPsych Curt and Katie talk with Nate Peereboom, CEO and co-founder of JotPsych, an AI-powered scribe designed to automate therapy notes and save therapists 90–95% of their note-taking time. Jot Psych supports over 30 languages, integrates with many EHRs, and prioritizes security and privacy. In this conversation, we dive into how AI can support clinicians while protecting the integrity of the therapeutic relationship. This episode is part of our Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, where we explore innovative tools and services built for therapists and their clients. In this podcast episode we talk about AI Scribes and making your clinical documentation more efficient and effective with JotPsych We explore how Jot Psych uses artificial intelligence to ease the documentation burden in therapy practices, while maintaining HIPAA compliance and respecting client privacy. Interview with Nate Peereboom, JotPsych 0:01:07 - Nate introduces himself and JotPsych 0:02:18 - Origin story of JotPsych and why they created the company 0:05:34 - Mission, vision, and values of the business 0:09:42 - Process of using JotPsych and note generation 0:12:08 - Business and clinical considerations for using AI scribes 0:16:14 - Privacy concerns and client consent 0:20:30 - Concerns about data training and potential AI therapist replacement 0:31:18 - Multilingual capabilities 0:31:52 - Quality assurance processes 0:34:49 - Onboarding process for new users 0:40:16 - Where to find more information about JotPsych Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of JotPsych 0:42:07 – Katie and Curt talk through our impressions of JotPsych: Considerations for choosing JotPsych, paying attention to scope and accuracy in documentation that is produced, how tools like Jot Psych can serve solo and group practices, the importance of testing AI tools in real-world practice before full adoption A Special Offer for the listeners of Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast from JotPsych Try Jot Psych with a 10-day free trial and get 50% off the first two paid months. Visit jotpsych.com/modern-therapist and use code MODERN Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/…

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When Laws and Ethics Conflict: Civil Disobedience, Social Justice, and Our Role as Therapists 1:09:49

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When Laws and Ethics Conflict: Civil Disobedience, Social Justice, and Our Role as Therapists Curt and Katie chat about what happens when legal requirements clash with ethical responsibilities—and how therapists can stay grounded in their values while navigating complex decisions. When you find yourself in a situation where the law seems to contradict your ethics, or even violate your clients’ basic human rights, what do you do? In this deep-dive episode, we explore the tension between law and ethics and the moral courage required to practice in alignment with your values. From post-9/11 changes in APA’s ethics code to current issues like gender-affirming care restrictions, we explore real-world implications and guide you through a framework for ethical decision-making in the face of legal and systemic challenges. This is a continuing education podcourse. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode we talk about laws, ethics, and the difficult decisions therapists face in practice Executive orders and nationwide proposed legislative bills that affect mental health have left therapists wondering, “Will my ethics protect me?” This episode and podcourse explores the interplay between laws and ethics, how professional organizations guide therapists when laws and ethics collide and gives a framework for how therapists should proceed. Participants will learn how to identify potential conflicts, understand their legal and ethical obligations, and develop effective decision-making processes. Topics explored will include risk management strategies, consultation best practices, and documentation considerations in conflictual situations. How do Modern Therapists navigate Ethics vs. Law in our practices? · Where clinical ethics and legal obligations collide · How our ethical codes approach this conflict (APA, ACA, NASW, CAMFT) · The importance of understanding your responsibilities beyond compliance Civil Disobedience as Therapists out in the world and in our offices · Philosophical roots: Antigone, Nuremberg, and post-9/11 ethics reform · When following the law may cause harm to clients or communities · How to protect your license while still honoring human rights Real-Life Legal versus Ethical Dilemmas for Modern Therapists · What to do when reporting requirements might increase harm · How to support trans and gender-diverse clients in states with discriminatory laws · Navigating confidentiality, documentation, and advocacy A Therapist’s Decision-Making Process for Civil Disobedience From Knapp, S., Gottlieb, M., Berman, J., & Handelsman, M. M. (2007). When laws and ethics collide: What should psychologists do? · Seek consultation to understand your legal requirements (know what the law is actually asking you to do, even if that means taking the time to consult with an attorney) · Clearly understand your ethical obligations (read the language of the ethics code and consult with trusted colleagues) · Consider alternatives that allow following the law while upholding your values · Contemplate violating the law only if no viable alternatives exist, and if so, limit disobedience to the minimum necessary to fulfill the higher goal Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Continuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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Reproductive Mental Health, Intersectionality, and Systemic Barriers: An interview with Dr. Loree Johnson 32:50

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Reproductive Mental Health, Intersectionality, and Systemic Barriers: An interview with Dr. Loree Johnson Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Loree Johnson about the intersections of reproductive mental health, race, and systemic injustice. Dr. Johnson shared powerful insights about the shame, grief, and medical trauma that many clients face, especially Black women and other folks from historically marginalized communities. We dive into how therapists can hold safer, more informed spaces for clients experiencing infertility and pregnancy loss, and how systemic racism and historical harm continue to shape reproductive healthcare today. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode, we talk about reproductive trauma, systemic barriers to care, and the need for cultural humility in therapy We were honored to sit down with Dr. Loree Johnson, LMFT, PhD—an expert in reproductive mental health who brings both clinical expertise and lived experience to the conversation. We explore how therapists can better support clients navigating infertility, pregnancy loss, and trauma, especially clients from marginalized communities. What do therapists often get wrong about reproductive mental health? · Avoiding the conversation about infertility and pregnancy loss because therapists feel undertrained or uncomfortable · Therapists overlook the impact of race, history, and oppression in reproductive trauma · Assuming fertility issues affect only straight, cisgender couples · Minimizing or misunderstanding the grief associated with pregnancy loss and infertility What is the role of systemic racism and historical trauma for Black women seeking reproductive care? · Mistrust of the medical system due to real, generational harm (e.g., J. Marion Sims, Henrietta Lacks, Tuskegee) · Myths of hyper-fertility in Black women and the erasure of infertility struggles in communities of color · Disenfranchised grief and cultural stigma around fertility challenges · Weathering: the cumulative impact of chronic stress and racism on physical and reproductive health How can therapists show up better for clients who are experiencing infertility and pregnancy loss? · Learn the terminology and processes around fertility treatments and pregnancy loss · Create space for conversations around sex, reproduction, and grief—even if it’s uncomfortable · Practice cultural humility and intimacy: be willing to be wrong, to sit with pain, and to build trust · Acknowledge your own limitations and biases while staying curious and committed to learning · Be prepared for these conversations—even if you don’t specialize in reproductive mental health Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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What Therapists Need to Know to Support the Trans Community: An interview with Artie Hartsell 36:00

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What Therapists Need to Know to Support the Trans Community: An interview with Artie Hartsell Curt and Katie chat with Artie Hartsell from ACLU North Carolina about how current anti-trans policies are impacting the trans community. We explore the historical erasure of trans identities, the rise of anti-trans legislation, and the real-world impact on housing, medical care, and documentation. Artie also shares resources for legal aid, community support, and how therapists can show up for their trans clients. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode, we explore the real-life consequences of anti-trans policies Curt and Katie sit down with Artie Hartsell, MSW, an advocate and organizer with the ACLU of North Carolina, to discuss how recent political changes are affecting the trans community. How are trans rights being threatened today? Over 1,000 anti-trans bills and executive orders have been introduced in the U.S. Passport and documentation delays create barriers for trans individuals. Housing discrimination and increased risks for unhoused trans individuals. Medical care restrictions limit access to gender-affirming treatment. A rise in state and local laws emboldening discrimination against trans people. What can therapists do to support trans clients? Make their practice as welcoming as possible by being transparent about their knowledge and limitations. Partner with local LGBTQ organizations to stay informed and provide accurate resources. Be mindful of documentation practices to protect trans clients from potential harm. Encourage trans clients to build strong communities and mutual aid networks. Resources for Trans Individuals and Allies: Legal Aid and Advocacy: ACLU, Lambda Legal, National Center for Lesbian Rights Medical Resources: Campaign for Southern Equality, Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA) Community Support: PFLAG, local LGBTQ centers How can allies and therapists take action to support the trans community? · Educate yourself on trans rights and the implications of recent laws. · Provide direct support by connecting trans clients to legal and medical resources. · Engage in advocacy through organizations like the ACLU and local LGBTQ groups. · Encourage trans individuals to document and preserve their community’s history. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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What Should Not Be Normalized in Our Profession? 35:59

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What Should Not Be Normalized in Our Profession? Curt and Katie chat about a discussion that came up in the Modern Therapists Facebook group – What is something that you wish other therapists would stop pretending is normal. We explore the normalization of waiting until license renewal for CE, balancing accountability without chastising clients, and acknowledging countertransference in therapy. We also tackle the high costs of specialized training, the problems of treating children in isolation without family involvement, and the systemic issue of unpaid internships and low therapist wages. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode we explore frustrations modern therapists have with our profession Curt and Katie dive into some of the things that therapists normalize that maybe they shouldn’t, gathered from discussions in the Modern Therapist Facebook Group. What are struggles that are normalized for therapists? · Waiting until right before license renewal to complete continuing education (CE) · Not figuring out the difference between holding clients accountable vs. chastising or bullying them · Failing to acknowledge countertransference and true emotions in therapy · The high costs of specialized training · Not recognizing the importance of family involvement in child therapy · The impact of unpaid internships and low wages for therapists Is the therapy profession setting itself up for burnout and financial struggle? · Many therapists procrastinate CE requirements, leading to unnecessary stress. · Holding clients accountable is important, but it shouldn't come at the cost of rapport or shame. · Denying countertransference is unrealistic — therapists have emotions too! · Expensive training creates barriers to specialization, limiting accessibility. · Therapists treating children without involving family may not be setting up the child for success. · Unpaid internships and low wages continue to undervalue therapists’ work, making financial stability difficult. What can therapists do to improve their profession? · Plan CE credits early to avoid last-minute stress. · Frame accountability in a way that supports clients and aligns with their stated goals rather than chastises them. · Acknowledge emotions in therapy without making sessions about the therapist. · Seek out reasonably priced training options and advocate for more affordable education. · Encourage family involvement when working with children (when appropriate). · Push for industry-wide changes in pay and internship standards. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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How Can Therapists Accept (and Impact) Technology?: An interview with Dr. David Cooper 36:03

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How Can Therapists Accept (and Impact) Technology?: An interview with Dr. David Cooper Curt and Katie chat with Dr. David Cooper of Therapists in Tech to explore the evolving role of artificial intelligence (AI) in therapy. Dr. Cooper highlights the importance of tech literacy, privacy, and security in digital mental health while advocating for therapists to use AI as a tool for efficiency rather than replacement. He compares this shift to the transition from paper charts to electronic health records (EHRs) and encourages therapists to stay informed and engaged through communities like Therapists in Tech and the Society for Digital Mental Health. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can engage with technology At the Behavioral Tech Conference, Katie met Dr. David Cooper of therapists in tech. We invited him on to help us understand better how therapists can engage with technology safely and ethically. As AI continues to integrate into mental health care, therapists must embrace innovation while advocating for ethical, client-centered practices. How can therapists engage with AI and digital health responsibly? Use AI tools like ChatGPT for administrative efficiency and tech troubleshooting. Advocate for digital health education in graduate training programs. Seek guidance from digital health experts through groups like Therapists in Tech. Implement technology for administrative tasks, such as automated reminders and billing. Stay informed and connected with digital mental health advancements through professional communities. Key Takeaways from this podcast interview with Dr. David Cooper of Therapists in Tech AI can enhance, not replace, therapy, improving efficiency in practice management. Ethical considerations remain crucial, especially regarding privacy and data security. Tech literacy is a necessary skill for all therapists as the field evolves. Therapists should take an active role in digital health advocacy to maintain the human element in care. Resources for Therapists Adapting to Digital Health: Therapists in Tech – A community for professionals navigating digital mental health. Society for Digital Mental Health – A resource hub for therapists exploring tech solutions. Behavioral Health Tech Conference – A key event for learning and networking in digital health. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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Reviewing a Disciplinary Case on Suicidality, Erotic Transference, and Between-Session Communication: How do therapists hold appropriate boundaries? 1:13:47

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Reviewing a Disciplinary Case on Suicidality, Erotic Transference, and Between-Session Communication: How do therapists hold appropriate boundaries? Curt and Katie chat about a disciplinary case against Dr. Eric Bergeman, highlighting key ethical concerns for therapists. They explore documentation practices, therapist responsibilities, and boundary management, particularly in cases involving suicidality and erotic transference. The conversation underscores the importance of clear treatment planning, proper record-keeping, and ethical decision-making to avoid legal and professional consequences. This is a continuing education podcourse. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode we talk about suicidality, erotic transference, between-session communication, and documentation Therapists are given conflicting advice on when their duties to patients begin, how much they are expected to be available to clients outside of sessions, how they are to approach between-session communications, and how to document such communications. This episode explores a disciplinary case where the California Board of Psychology investigated a therapist’s responses to a client that filed a complaint about the therapist’s treatment. What therapists need to know about ethical boundaries and disciplinary actions: The importance of proper documentation and clear treatment planning. How to respond to client suicidality in real-time, including assessment and intervention. Managing erotic transference with ethical boundaries and consultation. The role of Board of Psychology investigations in evaluating therapist conduct. Key Takeaways from Dr. Bergeman’s Disciplinary Case: The Board of Psychology found gross negligence due to poor documentation, inadequate diagnosis, and lack of clear therapeutic boundaries. Dr. Bergeman failed to properly address the client’s suicidality and borderline personality disorder, leading to ethical concerns. Consultation with another therapist revealed concerns about Bergeman’s treatment approach and lack of structured intervention. The Board initially sought a fine of $103,000, later reducing it to $10,363, citing good intentions but significant professional oversights. Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Continuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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What Therapists Need to Know About Immigration: An interview with Andy Strait 41:56

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What Therapists Need to Know About Immigration: An interview with Andy Strait Curt and Katie chat with Andy R. Strait, Esq., about immigration policies, mental health, and the role of therapists in supporting immigrant clients. They explore legal challenges, asylum cases, and the impact of fear-driven policies on mental health. Strait emphasizes the importance of legal representation, knowing one’s immigration status, and providing accurate resources. Therapists can help by offering pro bono evaluations, connecting clients with legal aid, and creating safe spaces for immigrant communities. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode, we talk about what therapists need to know about immigration Immigration policies directly impact the mental health of both therapists and their clients. We asked Andy Strait, an immigration attorney and former public advocate, about the challenges immigrants face in the U.S. legal system, the role of therapists in supporting their clients, and practical steps therapists can take to provide assistance. What do therapists need to know about immigration policies? The lack of legal representation for immigrants and how this affects asylum outcomes. How the culture of fear surrounding immigration policies affects mental health. The importance of therapists providing accurate legal resources to clients. The racial profiling and shifting demographic focus of ICE operations. How therapists can help clients plan for potential deportation and protect their families. How Therapists Can Support Clients Facing Immigration Challenges Refer clients to legal experts by connecting with organizations like the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) and the Survivors of Torture Network. Consider offering pro bono psychological evaluations for asylum cases, as expert testimony is often crucial. Help clients understand their rights and the importance of legal documentation. Provide safe spaces for immigrants to process their fears and mental health struggles. Be mindful of misinformation and educate clients using accurate, vetted sources. Understanding the Realities of the Immigration System The asylum process is complex and overburdened, leaving many without proper representation. There is no right to an attorney for immigrants, making legal aid essential. Immigrants and their families need proactive strategies to prepare for potential enforcement actions. Therapists can play a critical role in reducing the stigma around seeking legal and mental health support. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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Reacting to Regime Change: How Therapists Can Advocate for our Clients and Communities 35:01

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Reacting to Regime Change: How Therapists Can Advocate for our Clients and Communities Curt and Katie chat about how the United States has shifted since the inauguration of President Trump. We look at how therapists can advocate for their clients and the communities they serve and/or live in. We look at strategies for therapists to stay informed, provide vetted resources, and be present for clients who may be struggling with the changes. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode we talk about the impact of political shifts on mental health care With ongoing changes in healthcare policy, therapists must navigate how legislative decisions impact their clients and their own practice. In this episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy discuss the Trump administration’s influence on mental health care, the importance of accurate information and advocacy, and strategies for balancing personal well-being with professional responsibilities. What do therapists need to know about political changes in healthcare? The Trump administration’s policies and their impact on the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and Medicaid. The role of therapists in ensuring clients receive accurate healthcare information. How legislative decisions affect funding for mental health services. Why advocacy and political awareness are essential for protecting mental health access. The ethical considerations of discussing politics with clients while maintaining professional boundaries. How Therapists Can Take Action to Protect Healthcare Access Educate yourself and your clients on state-specific programs and available resources. Provide information in your practice on how clients can contact their legislators. Spend 15 minutes a day making calls to representatives to advocate for mental health care. Encourage, but don’t pressure, clients to take action in ways that align with their own values. Share neutral, fact-based sources to help clients stay informed without unnecessary anxiety. The Emotional Toll of Advocacy and How to Manage It Navigating personal feelings while supporting clients through political uncertainty. Avoiding doom-scrolling and setting boundaries around media consumption. Finding support within the therapist community to prevent burnout. Understanding personal capacity and choosing advocacy efforts that are sustainable. The Role of Therapists in Community Support Helping clients feel empowered rather than helpless in the face of policy changes. Creating space in sessions for conversations about uncertainty and anxiety related to healthcare access. Challenging therapists to step outside their comfort zone and take meaningful action. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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When Your Client Dies By Suicide: An interview with Dr. Nina Gutin 35:07

vor 10 weeks35:07

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When Your Client Dies By Suicide: An interview with Dr. Nina Gutin Curt and Katie chat with Nina J. Gutin, Ph.D. about to discuss the emotional, professional, and systemic impact of client suicide on clinicians. We break down the common reactions of guilt and blame, highlight the importance of postvention support, and explore strategies to navigate grief and maintain clinical confidence. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode, we talk about the impact of client suicide on clinicians Losing a client to suicide is a devastating and often isolating experience for mental health professionals. We asked suicide expert, Dr. Nina Gutin to join us to talk about how therapists can take care of themselves when they have a client die by suicide. What do therapists need to know about client suicide and its impact on clinicians? The stigma and self-blame clinicians often experience after losing a client. The importance of using “died by suicide” instead of stigmatizing language. Statistics on clinician loss: One in five mental health professionals—and up to one in two psychiatrists—will experience a client suicide. The need for postvention protocols and structured support in mental health workplaces. How reducing caseloads and fostering support networks can help mitigate the long-term professional impact. Processing Guilt and Self-Blame After a Client Suicide How hindsight bias can make clinicians feel responsible for a client’s death. Shifting from guilt to remorse or regret as a healthier perspective. The fear of legal repercussions and how to navigate it after a client suicide. Best practices for reaching out to a client’s family with compassion and professionalism. The Professional and Emotional Toll of Client Suicide on Therapists How losing a client to suicide can shake a clinician’s confidence and clinical identity. The importance of workplace support and structured postvention after a client death. Why systemic change is necessary to ensure therapists receive the help they need. Resources and Support for Clinicians The Coalition of Clinician Survivors – A support network offering: A listserv for peer support. A bibliography of research and clinical resources. Postvention protocols to guide clinicians and organizations. Dr. Nina Gutin’s email – For clinicians seeking consultation (nguten@earthlink.net). Breaking the Stigma and Advocating for Systemic Support How the stigma around suicide impacts both clients and clinicians. The need for better suicide prevention and postvention training in clinical programs. How organizations can prepare for and respond to client suicides to support their clinicians effectively. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy

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Stop Wasting Your Time on Awareness Campaigns 29:31

vor 11 weeks29:31

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Stop Wasting Your Time on Awareness Campaigns Curt and Katie chat about the limitations of performative awareness campaigns and the need for action-oriented advocacy. Inspired by the article Stop Raising Awareness Already by Ann Christiano and Annie Niemand, they critique viral campaigns like Kony 2012 and the CDC’s zombie apocalypse campaign, highlighting the importance of targeting the right audiences, crafting compelling messages, and developing a theory of change. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode we talk about the limitations of awareness campaigns Curt and Katie talk about what to do instead of focusing precious time, energy, and resources on advocacy that is solely about awareness. We look at what has worked in the past and how to implement that now. Why Awareness Alone Isn’t Enough Performative awareness (social media posts, profile filters) often doesn’t lead to real change. Examples of failed awareness campaigns: Kony 2012: Viral but lacked sustainable action. CDC’s zombie apocalypse: Popular but ineffective at promoting emergency preparedness. HPV vaccine campaign: Faced backlash due to misinterpretation of its message. Some awareness efforts even create harmful counter-movements (e.g., “All Lives Matter” in response to BLM). The Importance of Targeted Advocacy Broad awareness campaigns often miss key decision-makers—advocacy should focus on specific audiences. Examples of effective advocacy efforts: Lobbying for minors' rights to amend therapy records. Medicare reform efforts for mental health providers. California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT) educating legislators about MFTs. Developing a Theory of Change Advocacy needs clear goals and strategic planning. The story of Rosa Parks demonstrates effective timing and targeting in advocacy. Successful campaigns require repetition, patience, and clear calls to action. Practical Steps for Effective Advocacy: · Move beyond awareness—advocate for policy changes, funding, and direct action. · Target specific audiences (lawmakers, healthcare providers, educators). · Craft messages that resonate—ensure they lead to measurable change. · Develop a theory of change—plan advocacy efforts with long-term impact in mind. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy

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MFTs Providing Therapy Across State Lines Through License Portability in the United States: An interview with Roger Smith 36:18

vor 12 weeks36:18

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MFTs Providing Therapy Across State Lines Through License Portability in the United States: An interview with Roger Smith Curt and Katie chat with Roger Smith, Chief Advocacy Officer and General Counsel for American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, about the challenges and progress in licensure portability for Marriage and Family Therapists (MFTs). He explains why AAMFT opted for an endorsement model over interstate compacts, the success of the Access MFTs initiative, and what’s next for portability efforts in 2025. Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com ! In this podcast episode, we talk with Roger Smith about LMFT License Portability As more and more therapy is happening online, therapists have an opportunity to work with clients from all over the world. In the United States, there have been efforts by social workers, mental health counselors, and psychologists to create inter-state compacts to help regulate these therapists (and provide opportunities to deliver care legally in other states). Marriage and Family Therapists have been left behind and are now seeking a different path (reciprocity or portability) due to the unique characteristics of the LMFT profession. We reached out to Roger Smith of AAMFT to help us understand why this decision was made as well as what it means for MFTs. Why AAMFT Chose the Endorsement Model Over Compacts · Interstate compacts were considered but ultimately deemed too costly and unsustainable. · Large states like California and New York have not adopted ANY healthcare compacts, limiting effectiveness. · Endorsement model: Allows MFTs to practice in other states if they hold an unencumbered license—without having to meet initial requirements again. Success of the "Access MFTs" Model · In 2024, 7 out of 10 targeted states passed the Access MFTs model law. · States that adopted the model include Arizona, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Tennessee, and Virginia. · Efforts continue in Kentucky and North Carolina for 2025. Future of MFT Portability & Barriers California is not pursuing portability legislation but is working with CAMFT on national exam advocacy. Exam requirements can be a barrier to full portability. Expansion plans focus on pro-telehealth states and underserved regions. Member Interest & Cost Considerations for MFTs seeking to practice across state lines A 2022 AAMFT survey showed strong member interest in portability, especially among younger therapists. Costs are a factor—both the Access MFTs model and interstate compacts involve financial considerations for therapists. National Licensure for therapists: Why It’s Not an Option Licensure is a state-level issue, and federal intervention is unlikely. A national exam or license would face constitutional challenges and resistance from state regulatory boards. Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement: Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/…

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