Cults and cult-like organizations are front and center in society today—as they should be. We are becoming more aware of the insidious abuse perpetrated by programs that are supposed to help young people in the Troubled Teen Industry. Combining true crime, cult recovery, and a lot of dry, dark humor, the On the Emmis podcast unpacks and unveils the inner workings of Enthusiastic Sobriety Programs created by Bob Meehan and other high control groups. We'll have bi-monthly episodes that dive de ...
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Agape Boarding School Survivor: Robert Bucklin // Surviving Institutionalized Abuse
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CONTENT AND TRIGGER WARNING: Discussion of physical, sexual, psychological and emotional abuse of children This week I'm talking to Robert Bucklin, a survivor of the Agape Boarding School for Boys in Stockton Missouri. Robert's story is heartbreaking, horrifying, and infuriating. Now he's working to end the abuse at Agape Boarding School, and he's …
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Janja Lalich, Ph.D.: Life and recovery after leaving Enthusiastic Sobriety programs
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I had the best time talking to Dr. Janja Lalich. Janja is a researcher, author, and educator specializing in cults and extremist groups, with a particular focus on charismatic relationships, political and other social movements, ideology and social control, and issues of gender and sexuality. She has been a consultant to educational, mental health,…
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Anti-MLM stories: Danielle Bolster, LMHC // From Huns to Humans
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This week I sit down for a delightful conversation with Danielle Bolster, Licensed Mental Health Counselor. Danielle has her own podcast, "From Huns to Humans" where she talks about the detrimental effects of multi-level marketing on mental health. We talk about toxic diet culture, the allure and danger of "supplements", and the pressure women espe…
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Caroline and Meg, co-CEOs of UnSilenced: Creating real change in the "troubled teen" industry
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Meet Caroline Cole and Meg Applegate! They are survivors and the co-CEOs of Unsilenced, a grassroots movement of survivors and advocates speaking out about institutionalized child abuse in the troubled teen industry. Bob Meehan’s enthusiastic sobriety programs are only one example of an abusive adolescent “drug abuse” program. Unsilenced is working…
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Jo-Anne Liakakos, LPC: A licensed therapist weighs in on ES Programs
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This week I’m talking to Jo-Anne Liakakos, MA, LPC, NCC, CPCS of Major Counseling Solutions and Consulting in Alpharetta, GA. I wanted to interview Jo-Anne since she is a therapist and counselor who works with adolescents with substance use and general life issues, as well as adults with eating and personality disorders (and a bunch of other stuff)…
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Survivor Story with Cindy - The Insight Program, Atlanta, Georgia: Abusive relationships after you leave
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This week I talk to Cindy, a survivor of the Insight Program in Atlanta. A common thread of survivors of any abusive high-control group is that they continue to find themselves in abusive relationships after they leave. Cindy wanted to tell her story to help others who may currently be in an abusive relationship or recovering from one in the past. …
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Survivor Conversation with Mike Harper - The Crossroads Program, St. Louis, Missouri
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This week Mike and I are live on Twitch talking about Dr. Steve Hassan's BITE model. Check out Dr. Hassan's website here: https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/ We started with the "B" in BITE: Behavior Control. It didn't take long for us to come to the conclusion that enthusiastic sobriety programs are, in fact, a cult. Enjoy! Wan…
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Hyde School Survivor Part One: Rachel - The Hyde School, Woodstock Campus
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What do cold food, forced exercise, and being blindfolded and walked into the woods in a blizzard have in common? They're all used as forms of punishment at the Hyde School in Bath, Maine! This week's guest is a survivor of the Hyde School's Woodstock campus that has since been shut down. But before you high five us, they are still operating in oth…
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Survivor Story: Creator of the "Jim Jones" Facebook page - The Pathway Program, Phoenix, Arizona
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This week I interview the notorious "Jim Jones". Jim Jones was a Facebook account that popped up circa 2007 and blew up overnight. Jim Jones was speaking the truth about enthusiastic sobriety programs, and people were listening. It was the first place on Facebook for survivors to connect and tell their stories. Our movement would not be where it is…
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Daniel Kolitz, author of "The Love Bomb" (Part One)
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In this interview, Daniel and I talk about the article that took over his life for 3 years: The Love Bomb. He explains how he stumbled on the story, and what it was like interviewing survivors of Bob Meehan's programs. We discuss Bob’s shady past that no one can quite verify or explain and whether or not him starting a cult was intentional or accid…
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Anti-MLM stories: Cory Perry-That Anti MLM Girl
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Today I'm talking to Cory Perry, the famous Anti MLM Girl. We talk about how YouTube taught her about MLMs, and how they are similar to Bob Meehan's enthusiastic sobriety programs. I interview members of the anti-MLM community because MLM indoctrination is a part of my story, and the philosophies are very similar. We talk about Steve Hassan's BITE …
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A quick update on our new text/voicemail hotline, Daniel Kolitz's episode and some other random stuff.Von On The Emmis Podcast
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Survivor Story: Susanna Eller- The Insight Program, Augusta, Georgia
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Happy day after Thanksgiving! Heat up some leftovers and tune in to Susanna Eller. Susanna joined the group in 1999 in Augusta, Georgia. After 20 years of being in recovery, Susanna decided to look deeper at the diagnosis of alcoholic she received and figure out if she really needed to be "sober". We talk about the genesis of the Augusta group and …
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Sex and Relationships with Lauren Wortman-Survivor of The Insight Program, Augusta, Georgia
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This week I talk to Lauren about her experience in the group, and more specifically about how the staff talked about sex and relationships. Spoiler alert: it's super weird. Don't skip the intro because I make some important announcements about our new platform and some changes to the podcast you won't want to miss! TW: suicide, sexuality, sexual id…
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Survivor Story: Bob Fleming-The Insight Program, Greensboro, North Carolina
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This week we talk with Bob Fleming and hear about his time in enthusiastic sobriety programs in Greensboro, North Carolina, starting at 14 years old. He talks about struggling to manage his diabetes because he was called "attention seeking" for needing to eat and sleep regularly, what graduation was like, and what he still deals with now from his t…
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Survivor Story: Blake-The Insight Program in Greensboro, NC
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This week Liz and Jacqueline talk to Blake, a survivor of The Insight Program, and enthusiastic sobriety abuse program in Greensboro, North Carolina. We explore the program's strict policy of taking clients off of mental health medications cold turkey, their twisted philosophy of "No victims, only volunteers", and the notorious "Let Go, Let God" da…
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What is "The Group"? (or, what are enthusiastic sobriety programs?)
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Jacqueline and her guest host talk about "The Group" from a member and staff perspective. Enthusiastic sobriety programs are adolescent substance abuse programs started by Bob Meehan and are located in Roswell, Georgia, Peachtree City, Georgia, Tampa, Florida, Greensboro, Raleigh, and Charlotte, North Carolina, St. Louis and Kansas City, Missouri, …
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