"So I think this whole idea of cumulative culture is a way to make humans exceptional. But it's clear to me that humans are exceptional, and seeing it through baboon glasses, I can understand in a different way why they're exceptional. But many of the things that we think are uniquely human are actually present in other animals." - Dr. Shirley Strum Dr. Shirley Strum is a groundbreaking anthropologist who has spent over five decades living alongside wild baboons in Kenya. Her work has transformed our understanding of these intelligent, socially complex animals — their relationships, their adaptability, and the intricate societies they create. In her new book, Echoes of Our Origins , Shirley challenges long-held beliefs about evolution, the human-animal divide, and what it truly means to coexist. This conversation is about science — but it’s also about humility, hope, and the messy, beautiful complexity of life on Earth. Links: https://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title/53757/echoes-our-origins https://anthropology.ucsd.edu/people/faculty/faculty-profiles/shirley-strum.html…
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before we break up again. with Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave

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before we break up again. with Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
Alfie Brown (disgraced comedian) and Jessie Cave (Trollied, Sky One) are a couple and this is their podcast. Both experts in self-excavation and unvarnished conversation, this podcast is an exercise in trying to get to the route of something, however uncomfortable it might be.
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A failed attempt to celebrate Cat Deeley. BWBUA #23
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1:01:05Jessie Cave and Alfie Brown come back to you once again. Still not opening post, still having issues around alcohol but now with Tom Jones impressions thrown in.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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Is that the celebrated Nick Cave side projected Grinderman in your pocket? BWBUA #22
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57:48Another stunning episode from Jessie Cave and Alfie Brown. Please follow the instagram account for some good updates, coming soon. Thank you to everyone who listens.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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BETRAYAL: Jessie has read Alfie's diary. BWBUA #21
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53:32Jessie has read Alfie's diary and fortunately Alfie has been very good natured about it. The couple unpick what Jessie has found.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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A list of kinks. BWBUA #20
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51:23Jessie and Alfie have downloaded a big list of fetishes, it's time to peruse and have a think about which might be right for them.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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The couple writhe in the heat. BWBUA #19
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53:21After having been separated for the night, the couple speak on forced ice cream purchases and the love of a van.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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Sexy hotel room special turns suddenly into crying. BWBUA #18
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55:57You find us in the midst of the Luteal phase this week, the sexy hotel special does not go to plan.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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Tennis, recriminations and the appropriate use of 'willy'. BWBUA #17
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1:02:07Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave are back. Discussions of tennis precede some deeper and indeed more shallow reflections.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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We fight so you don't have to. BWBUA #16
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1:15:55Another episode another fight, this time on the topic of trust. WHAT IS TRUST? Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave pick through the bones of another argument.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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All your questions answered! BWBUA #15
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1:04:18We asked for questions and you delivered beyond belief. Thank you and apologies if we didn't get around to yours. Follow us on instagram please... instagram.com/beforewebreakupagainVon Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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The ethical non-monogamy episode. BWBUA #14
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54:37They're back on their new release day of FRIDAY! Let's hope that isn't a bad decision. Speaking of bad decisions, after the obligatory death chat ( last one for a while, promise ) they move on to the juicy topic of ethical non-monogamy. Not to be missed.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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How do children perceive death and also chat about MAFS? BWBUA #13
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49:48How do children perceive death and also some chat about betrayal inspired by the interminable MAFS finale. Thank you so much to all who listen. Give us a message and let us know what you think.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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The actors way, and an OnlyFans update. BWBUA #12
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42:51Well. Here we all are. We're back with a stunningly upbeat episode this week, possibly because Liverpool are champions. Either way, enjoy. Let us know what you think.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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Pottercon Germany, homeschooling and a Giant Schnauzer. BWBUA #11
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58:37Jessie is back from Germany and is deeply apologetic about the episode being a day late. What happens at a Pottercon? That question is answered before the conversation lurches forward into an easter A&E trip, the Minecraft movie and Jessie's plans for the family.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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Dragons' Den, Charlotte Church, Adolescence and More. BWBUA #10
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55:57It's a bumper, jam packed and full to the brim episode of BWBUA this week. Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave bring you another instalment of this avant-garde cult hit podcast.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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The depthlessness of birthdays. BWBUA #9
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1:03:53It's Alfie's birthday week and this episode the couple discuss the existential horror of getting one year older.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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Back from Amsterdam and ready to podcast. BWBUA #8
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50:58Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave are back from their romantic getaway to Amsterdam. Their first holiday in years and they're refreshed and vibrant.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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Viagra and volatility. BWBUA #7
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1:09:33Jessie and Alfie go late into the night and talk about viagra and its uses, and our sometimes volatile natures. Alfie got angry with a little train, Jessie gets angry with PMDD.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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Gambling addiction and the value of risk. BWBUA#6
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1:07:07It's Jessie Cave and Alfie Brown on their podcast. They're still together despite Jessie causing Alfie financial ruin. It must be love.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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Jessie has started an OnlyFans... and there's more. BWBUA#5
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1:07:12It is indeed that time of week again and it's the most good natured episode yet. Jessie Cave and Alfie Brown talk about blame, boob jobs and OnlyFans. Has anyone got a hair fetish?Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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But what is codependency? BWBUA#4
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1:12:03The most tense episode yet, the couple meander clumsily through a conversation on codependency and narcissism that results in a sort of fight, it's not really, it's just tense. They decided, in the end, that they would proceed with the podcast and relationship. They actually quite enjoyed it and still don't really know what codependency is. before …
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Stolen questions from a therapy website. BWBUA#3
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53:02On this, a new episode of Before We Break Up Again, Jessie has saved some 'Questions to ask your partner' from a website, Alfie is drinking wine. Please enjoy, comment and review etc. You're gorgeous.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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A history of our rejections. BWBUA#2
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52:44After a rather successful experiment doing the introduction, Jessie is quite keen for us to give an account of our experience with romantic rejection. For those viewing on YouTube we tried something new with the table, won't be doing it again, didn't like it.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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Are we going to have another baby? BWBUA#1
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52:07The first episode of this brand new podcast, which will run from now until we break up again. We speak about the identity crisis incurred by starting a podcast, PMDD and Jessie says show wants to be pregnant again. I (Alfie) describe funnier podcasts as 'incessant cackling' which was meant to be comedically jealous but may come over as bitchy. ok. …
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This launches tomorrow.Von Alfie Brown and Jessie Cave
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