The podcast for cat-AND-dog people. This is the show for pet professionals and pet parents who want to level up their cat and dog coexistence skills. In each episode, we talk nerdy about how to get your pets (or your client's pets) living safer and happier lives together. Your host is Naomi Rotenberg, a certified professional trainer who specializes in helping cats and dogs get along. She chats with other pet professionals and devoted pet parents about ways to improve the relationships betwe ...
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Finding Balance in Our Lives with Pets - with Marissa Martino
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How can the human side of pet training - understanding and addressing our emotions and mental state - contribute to a stronger bond with our animals and more effective training process? In this chat with fellow pet professional Marissa Martino, we talk about... why it's not just about teaching behaviors and working through training plans how her do…
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If it’s not working out, what are your options? - with Gia Savocchi
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In some cases, you can be doing ALL the right things to help your pets coexist, but everyone is still stressed and unable to live together peacefully. Unfortunately, there's a lot of pressure on well-meaning pet parents who are struggling. And that really sucks. In my chat with fellow pet professional Gia Savocchi, we talk about: how external press…
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How to introduce a puppy to a (blind) cat - with Sammy Hyde
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When introducing two animals, how do you know when to move onto the next step? What are potential red flags that tell you to slow down? In this chat with fellow pet professional Sammy Hyde, we talk all about her blind cat Murdoch, the "king of the household." We broke down the ways Murdoch made it clear that he didn't want to live with another cat,…
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We weren't making progress... then we joined the Club!
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Have you been working with your pets for a while to try to get them to live together peacefully... but you're just not seeing the results you want? In this episode, Naomi talks with Menghan, one of the amazing members of the Cat and Dog Coexistence Club. Menghan breaks down her experience in the community and the transformations her cat (Lindy) and…
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My cat won’t come downstairs because she’s so scared of the dog!
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What do you do when when your resident animal is super stressed by their new housemate? Like so stressed that they don't feel safe enough to do the things they used enjoy? And what if the animals were initially "fine" together? In this Dog and Cat Chat, Alicia and I brainstormed about how she could help her cat Cleo feel confident enough to come do…
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Can a dog with prey drive live with a cat? - with Simone Mueller
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Dogs are predators who often see cats as prey. How can we help them live peacefully together? What is prey drive anyway? There's all of this and so much more in this chat with Simone Mueller, world-renowned trainer and behavior consultant who literally wrote the book on predation in dogs (and how to address it). We talk about: why (and how) her met…
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Evening chill time... Will your dog rest? Or lunge at the cat?
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Why might the same contexts trigger totally different behaviors in our pets? It can make their interactions really tough to predict... In this episode, Naomi talks through the theoretical reasons why your pets' behavior might not be as predictable as the antecedent-behavior-consequence model seems. What you'll hear in this episode: the four (and a …
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My cat is making the dog nervous!
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Does your cat do some things that kinda freak your dog out? In this Dog and Cat Chat, Naomi and Matilda talk through some ways to address both sides of cat-dog relationship - to find appropriate outlets for Beau's sometimes over-the-top behavior AND to give Delilah the skills to cope when he triggers her. What you'll hear in this episode: why you m…
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My dog adopted a cat, and now I have to pay for it! - with Kayla Fratt
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What do you do when you find the perfect kitten in a ditch right before you embark on a months-long journey through North and South America in a Sprinter van? Bring him along, of course! In this chat with fellow pet professional Kayla Fratt, we talk about the recent addition to her "van-hold" - Norbert. What you'll hear in this episode: why Norbert…
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Not making progress with the "typical" path to coexistence?
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What adjustments do you make to a "typical" integration plan when the cat doesn't make himself scarce? In this Dog and Cat Chat, Melissa and I come up with a plan to make Gem and Bart's interactions more predictable after a chase that ended with the cat in the dog's mouth 😲 What you'll hear in this episode: why letting a bold cat decide when to see…
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How the hell do I...help my cat and dog get along?
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What is involved in taking cats and dogs who can't even look at each other to being able to spend time together as housemates? In this episode, Naomi walks through the general process she uses to help her clients' cats and dogs learn to coexist. What you'll hear in this episode: why helping each animal feel safe is always the first step what types …
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To calm the dog down? Or to boost the cats' confidence? That is the question.
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When you've got an intense, chase-y dog and some scared cats, how do you prioritize your training projects? In this Dog and Cat Chat, I explain why (in Jenna's case), I suggested that she focus on addressing the cats' skittishness first before tackling her dog's intense reactions to seeing the cats move. What you'll hear in this episode: why two ki…
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The Training Starts As Soon As You Walk In The Door - with Josh and Mandy Boutelle
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What are the first things you should do when you bring a kitten home to live with your adolescent dog? In this chat with fellow pet professionals Josh and Mandy Boutelle, we talk about how they helped their new kitten, Fig, quickly settle into life with their exuberant dog, Fern. What you'll hear in this episode: how they started creating positive …
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Ok, they're separated... now what?
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You bring a new pet home and you're keeping them separated from your resident pet like everyone says to do... but what are the next steps?! In this Dog and Cat Chat, I give Agnes a plan of action for Daisy, her young, prey-drivey dog and Chrys, her newly adopted chill-dude orange cat. What you'll hear in this episode: why scheduling time for your c…
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What the hell is... "Cat Testing"?
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In this inaugural "What the hell is...?" episode, Naomi gives her cousin Kerry the skinny on the concept of cat testing. This episode is for you if... ➔ your dog was "cat tested" in the shelter or rescue ➔ your dog wasn't "cat tested" in the shelter or rescue ➔ you don't know what "cat testing is" ➔ you just like the sound of the phrase "cat testin…
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The Why of "It's Training Cats and Dogs"
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This baby podcast is now 50 episodes old 🤯 That's kind of a big deal! Let's celebrate with some of my super deep (and also a bit silly) musings about: how this podcast came to be why I'm doing this whole thing in the first place what's next in the world of "It's Training Cats and Dogs" aka even more awesome-ness when the podcast will be back - and …
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Dog: "Back off, please!" Cat: "Yeah...Nope."
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If you've ever wondered whether your cat is teasing your dog for the fun of it or deliberately antagonizing the dog to get a rise out of them (and attention from you), this episode is for you. In this Dog and Cat Chat, Chelsea and I come up with a plan to teach her mischievous cats how and when to give their reactive dog brother some space. What yo…
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“Dog-Like” Cats and “Cat-Like” Dogs - with Matt Schimsky
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If someone says their cat acts "like a dog"... do you know exactly what they mean? Is having a "dog-like" cat considered ::better:: than having a cat-like cat? In this chat with fellow trainer Matt Schimsky, we talk about society's stereotypes about cats vs. dogs (and why they affect our relationships and willingness to train with our animals). Wha…
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Are my cat and dog ready to spend more time together?
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When your pets are “absolutely apart” and only seeing each other during short, micromanaged setups, you might be thinking: Am I being paranoid about my pets' safety? Am I the barrier to their coexistence? Am I being too impatient if I just want to "let them work it out"? These worries are super common and all boil down to this main question: how do…
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Choreographing routines for your cat and dog
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It’s hard work managing a full house even when everyone gets along, and for Bee, whose pets can’t be in the same space without tensions running high (and sometimes blood being shed!), it’s getting beyond frustrating. In this episode, Naomi shares some strategies on how to adjust "baby gate hell" and teach King and Ralph how to effectively give each…
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Episode Rewind: Control Unleashed with Cats and Dogs - with Leslie McDevitt
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Naomi's off on vacation so this week we're rewinding back to one of the podcast's earlier episodes! Revisit Naomi's chat with the amazing Leslie McDevitt, author of the popular Control Unleashed books and DVD series. Leslie broke down how she sets up her house to allow for easier introductions and how she uses Control Unleashed games and concepts t…
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Do You Know Your Current Pet Enough to Add a New One? - with Caroline Mattioli
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Before bringing a new animal into your household, is your resident pet ready? In order to make the initial introduction and integration process go as smoothly as possible, one of the best things you can do is take a long, hard look at the pet(s) you already have! Doing the prep work before bringing a new pet into the mix will set everyone up for su…
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How to Build a Scaredy Cat's Confidence
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What do you do when your puppy just wants to play and your cats are so terrified they hightail it under the bed? It only takes a few unwanted games of chase to instill enough fear to make keeping your pets in the same space difficult - as Teri found out with Moose, Pumpkin, and Tofu. With the household divided between Moose’s separation anxiety and…
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Do my Cat and Dog Love Each Other TOO Much?
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Our pets' body language is often baffling! Behaviors that look like intense affection can mean something else entirely. When your cat and dog refuse to leave each other alone, how can you tell what is a positive interaction or not? This is the struggle Abigail is having with her elderly cat Titus and her puppy Totchka. Is Titus’ intense greetings a…
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How to Use Possession-Based Toy Play for Reinforcement: Masterclass Sneak Peek
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While reaching for the cookies is a common go-to for reinforcement, there are other forms that are just as powerful - sometimes even more so than food! Listen to this episode to learn the basics of possession-based play skills so you can have a fantastic alternative to food in your reinforcement toolbox. This bite-sized episode is a peek into one o…
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The Cats Just Want Their Space! - Dog and Cat Chat with Yasmin
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Sometimes you just don't know what to do when your cats and dogs don't get along. Feeling stuck isn't uncommon, but that doesn’t stop it from being frustrating! Sometimes it takes a second set of eyes to look at what’s going on and identify find those areas where a little change could make all the difference. Yasmin’s two old lady cats, Zelda and P…
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Kids, and dogs, and cats... oh my! - with Jen Shyrock
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Overseeing a multi-species household can be as challenging as it is rewarding. Cats and dogs, pets and children, different breeds and different ages - with all the combinations comes a variety of behaviors and personalities. So, how can you find coexistence between so many moving parts? Jen Shyrock of Family Paws has hands-on experience living in a…
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"Gimme space, cat!" - Dog and Cat Chat with Lara
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We can all get a little cranky as we get older and that goes for our pets as well. When animals start dealing with ailments such as arthritis that cause pain and discomfort, is easy for them to find triggers in things that were no problem before. That’s the situation with Lara’s dog Bowie, who’s arthritis has caused some steps backward in his relat…
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It's an almost universal roadmap to coexistence: management enrichment setups But what should you actually DO within this general process to help YOUR specific animals learn to live together peacefully? What steps will take you from point A to point B? Sometimes you need someone to show you the way. Want more in-depth personalized guidance and supp…
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The Dog Puts the Cat's Head In His MOUTH! (Dog and Cat Chat with Josie)
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Naomi chats with Josie in this Dog and Cat Chat about her adolescent dog Kinai and his wildly different interactions with her two cats. How much of this behavior can be attributed to general environmental stress or something else entirely? Time Stamps: [00:31] Introduction [01:13] The cast of characters: the dogs (Nimeria and Kinai) [01:37] Backgro…
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When Hyper Dog Meets Scaredy Cat - Dog and Cat Chat with Michelle and Cal
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In this Dog and Cat Chat, Naomi talks with Michelle and Cal about preemptive management to make the upcoming introduction of an extremely active pitbull to a household with one attention-hungry cat and one anxious cat go as smoothly as possible. Key Moments [00:31] Introduction [00:46] Merry the anxious cat [01:22] Health concerns with feline anxie…
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"Force Free" Pet Training and Parenting - with Nicole Soule
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Naomi chats with Nicole Soule of How to Train a Dream Dog about the similarities between being parents of young children and animal trainers, raising children alongside pets and her own adventures of moving her own multi-species household in with her fiancé and his dog - all while being pregnant with their first child! Key Moments [00:34] Guest int…
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Moving in together... Roommate Edition!
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In this Dog and Cat chat, I speak with McKenzie Cameron about integrating her dog Frankie with the new addition to her household, Bijou the cat. But there’s a twist! It’s not McKenzie who’s adopting Bijou - it’s her roommate. Key Moments [00:46] Introduction to the Cast of Characters: Frankie the dog and Bijou the cat [02:20] Bijou’s transition fro…
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Treat Options for your Non-food Motivated Pet
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Naomi takes a deep dive into food-based reinforcement and what you can do when your pet just doesn’t seem interested in any treats you’re offering. Key Moments [00:44] The two kinds of non-reinforcing food reinforcement events [01:19] How to handle these two types of events [01:23] Handling disgust [01:55] Handling a lack of interest [02:43] Why fo…
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New Dog! It's Going Well...I Think? with Lauren Hurlock
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Being proactive when you first introduce a new pet is a fantastic way to nip any potential problems in the bud. Lauren joined me for a Dog and Cat chat to get some tips on setting up management and training behaviors for the brand new addition to their two cat household - a poodle named Lou. Key Moments: [00:39] Introduction to the cast of characte…
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Talking Cats and Dogs with a Veterinary Behaviorist - with Dr. Hagar Hauser
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Veterinary Behavorist Dr. Hagar Hauser joined me for a deeper look into some of the more common behavioral problems between cats and dogs she sees come into the clinic and ways to address them. We also talked about her own adventures fostering kittens with her dog, Ronnie. Key Moments: [00:41] Guest Introduction [02:55] Icebreaker: Two truths and a…
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Starting Off On The Right Paw - Dog and Cat Chat with Yvonne
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There’s a lot to consider when you’re first starting your pet’s journey to coexistence. It’s easy to get lulled into a false sense of security if problems don’t immediately arise. But rather than wait for things to go wrong, start things off on the right paw! Yvonne joined me for a Dog and Cat Chat - my new 30 minute free coaching sessions - to fin…
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Setting Up Your Setups - Coaching Call with Lindsey and Em
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The journey towards coexistence doesn’t stop when your dog and cat are no longer on opposing sides of an active warzone. When all the hard work training is finally paying off and you can see the changes it’s making to your household, what comes next? Setups! In this coaching call I helped Lindsey and Em, members of the Cat and Dog Coexistence Club,…
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Do you dream of a peaceful coexistence between your pets? Or does your dog launch into action if your cat so much as moves from their spot? Does your cat struggle to relax if your dog is playing? If only everyone could chill out a little! Lots of people come my way hoping for just that, which is why I launched the Cool as a Cucumber Challenge. This…
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The “Cool as a Cucumber” Challenge for Multi-Pet Relaxation
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Relaxing is tough sometimes. When you’re feeling stressed or freaking out, being told to just “relax” often has the opposite effect. In fact, it usually makes people tense up or get even more stressed. Instead, you need to set the stage for relaxing. Cue in the spa music and candles. Well, did you know it’s the same with our pets? If you want to ac…
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When Love Isn’t Enough - With Katya Lidsky
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Loving our pets is absolutely fundamental to making your pet partnership work. And yes, it is work a lot of the time. Bringing a new animal home to your existing pets can be a tough thing to get right. It can take a lot of time, energy, and effort, so loving them is a big part of staying sane and keeping everyone happy. But sometimes, love isn’t en…
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Not All Cats Are A$$holes! - With Beth Brown
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Are all cats assholes? Of course not! For reasons unbeknownst to them, cats have gained a reputation that misleads people into thinking that all cats are (for lack of a better word) catty. This couldn’t be farther from the truth, and I’m on a mission to put a stop to this cat prejudice once and for all. My special guest on this episode of It’s Trai…
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Why a Strong Management Plan is Vital in Multi-Species Homes
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If you have a busy household full of cats, dogs, and other animals, keeping everyone safe and happy can feel a little stressful if you’re not prepared. The trick is to come up with a solid management plan, something that this It’s Training Cats and Dogs guest knows all too well. Tori Ganino, a Certified Professional Dog Trainer and Certified Dog Be…
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The More Behaviors, the Better - With Hannah Branigan
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Training cats and dogs isn’t just about eliminating problem behaviors. It might seem counterintuitive, but sometimes, encouraging more behaviors and more distractions can keep everyone in your household a lot happier. Hannah Branigan, self-proclaimed dog training nerd and author of Awesome Obedience, joins me on this episode of It’s Training Cats a…
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How to Bring Cats into a Dog Household Safely - with Kayla Fratt
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Introducing a new pet into your household can bring a whole lot of uncertainty and disruption. How you manage those initial introductions is crucial if you want a peaceful home for everyone. Kayla Fratt, certified dog and cat behavior consultant, has plenty of experience introducing cats and dogs to each other. She knows what to watch out for, how …
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How to Build a Safe & Stress-Free Multi-Species Household - with Emily Fitzpatrick
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Living in a multi-species house can be as challenging as it is rewarding. With so many personalities, needs, and quirks to contend with, keeping everyone happy can feel like a full-time job! Emily Fitzpatrick, certified dog trainer and founder of Misunderstood Mutt, is someone who knows this all too well. She joined me on this episode of It’s Train…
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You Need to Train the Cat, Too! - with Julie Posluns
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If you have a cat and a dog, should you try to train the cat? Can you even train cats? You sure can! And training both the cat and the dog can often make a huge difference in the quality of your pets’ relationship. This week I spoke with Julie Posluns, Applied Animal Behaviorist and owner of Cat School. Julie shared key concepts about training cats…
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Control Unleashed with Cats and Dogs - with Leslie McDevitt
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How should you properly use Control Unleashed techniques when working with your cats and dogs? I recently spoke to Leslie McDevitt, author of the internationally popular Control Unleashed books and DVD series. Leslie shared how she has successfully integrated her own dogs with her new cats (and many fosters) using Control Unleashed techniques and a…
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How to Introduce Your New Cat to Your Dog - with Dr. Valli Fraser-Celin
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What do you do when you want to add a new cat into a house with a resident dog? All pets are different, but for most of them, a little adjustment period is needed. How you introduce them is crucial if you want to see them getting along. In a recent coaching call with fellow pet professional, Dr. Valli Fraser-Celin, Naomi took her through some simpl…
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How to Help Your Pets Move Forward After an Incident - Coaching Call
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What do you do when your cat and dog have had a fight? How do you help everyone feel safe again? This week, Naomi chats with Em and Lindsey, members of The Cat and Dog Coexistence Club, about the aftermath of a recent incident between their cat, Fenton, and their dog, Bambi. Em and Lindsey went out for a few minutes and returned home to their pets …
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