Infrastructure as Code • Kief Morris & Abby Bangser

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Kief Morris - Author of "Infrastructure as Code" & Distinguished Engineer at Thoughtworks
Abby Bangser - Principal Engineer at Syntasso & Team Topologies Advocate
RESOURCES
Kief
https://bsky.app/profile/kief.com
https://twitter.com/kief
https://github.com/kief
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kiefmorris
https://kief.com

Abby
https://bsky.app/profile/abangser.bsky.social
https://twitter.com/a_bangser
https://github.com/abangser
https://www.linkedin.com/in/abbybangser
https://www.syntasso.io/members-area/abby/profile

Links
https://infrastructure-as-code.com

DESCRIPTION
Abby Bangser (Principal Engineer at Syntasso) speaks with Kief Morris (Distinguished Engineer at Thoughtworks consultant and Author of "Infrastructure as Code") about the evolution of infrastructure as code over the past decade. They discuss how the field has grown from simple server configuration management to complex cloud architectures, the challenges of current tooling, and emerging solutions like System Initiative.
The conversation explores the importance of abstraction layers, the application of software development principles to infrastructure, and how AI might transform the field. They emphasize that infrastructure decisions must align with business needs rather than being treated as generic plumbing, highlighting the ongoing need for platform engineering and developer experience considerations.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Kief Morris • Infrastructure as Code • https://amzn.to/4e6EBQc
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ
Dave Thomas • simplicity • https://amzn.to/43FghBJ
Dave Thomas & Andy Hunt • The Pragmatic Programmer • https://amzn.to/43QuMBj

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Kapitel

1. Intro (00:00:00)

2. A decade of infrastructure as code (00:02:16)

3. The challenge of abstraction layers (00:05:34)

4. Progressive discovery & domain modeling in infrastructure as code (00:15:56)

5. AI & the future of infrastructure management (00:23:49)

6. Business alignment & platform engineering (00:28:31)

7. Outro (00:33:19)